Arm Mali G2-Ultra NX GPU: desktop-class mobile gameplay with AI-native graphics(newsroom.arm.com)
38 pointsby Re-Tails5 hours ago5 comments
  • ksec4 hours ago
    With IMG PowerVR mostly gone from Mediatek roadmap. Which means ARM Mali is effectively the GPU IP on Android, excluding Qualcomm Adreno which its market continue to shrink and concentrate on premium segment.

    I wonder how far or how good Mali is now compared to others. I wish Chip and Cheese do compassion on GPU as well.

    • pjmlp2 hours ago
      If only that would mean a better driver story across devices and Android releases.

      Unless it is a Pixel or Samsung Sxy flagship device, chances are the driver, which will never get updated, it a box full of interesting developer moments.

      Just go to chrome://gpu to check the amount of workarounds enabled in Chrome alone.

    • teki_one4 hours ago
      Google just switched to PowerVR, didn't they?
      • throwa3562623 hours ago
        Given the horrible GPU performance as well as thermal issues in Tensor G5 and G6, Google will have to switch back to Arm in G7.

        Example benchmark showing how extremely far Google is behind:

            GeekBench 6 Compute Score (GPU):
    Xring O3.             36901.    (the GPU in this announcement)
    Snapdragon 8 Elite G5 27501.    (Adreno 840)
    Dimensity 9500M.      23753.    (Mali-G1 Ultra MP11).
    Tensor G6.            6216.     (PowerVR CXTP-48-1536)
        • an hour ago
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        • ksec2 hours ago
          >Xring O3.

          I just can't wait to see it being tested in an actual phone. So far all the data are done on development board. If they are really as good as everything we have read so far, both Mediatek and Qualcomm are in big trouble.

          • throwa35626232 minutes ago
            This Xiaomis second or third chip ever so I assume there will be problems.
        • MindSpunk2 hours ago
          The Pixel 10 and 11 GPUs are offensively bad. Not only are the Power VR GPUs slow, and less capable feature wise than Mali and Adreno (Xclipse is still around too!), but the tile Google put in the Pixel 11 is actually an _older_ design than what they put in the Pixel 10. They just clocked it higher to make up the performance difference.

          And then Google has the gall to charge basically flagship prices for their under powered junk.

          Personally I don't buy flagship phones because I don't use their full compute capabilities anyway, but a Pixel 11 would cost 2x what I paid for my Pixel 8. For 0 GPU performance improvement.

  • curiobleak2 hours ago
    The headline seems like a way to set themselves up to fail. The advancements are great, those features are definitely something a lot of developers and players are interested in, but comparing it to desktop immediately just sets the bar too high.
  • eptcyka4 hours ago
    What about support in mesa?
    • bigbaguette4 hours ago
      Give it a couple years before Valve starts sponsoring someone to reverse-engineer it
      • eptcyka4 hours ago
        I do not understand why vendors believe their software stack is a moat. It is an obstacle to me.
        • pjmlpan hour ago
          Because most game developers aren't religious about APIs, they implement an abstraction layer in their engine, a practice since the heterogeneous 8 and 16 bit days, where all major games were mostly coded in Assembly, and move on.

          Any conference talk schedule at one of these conferences (https://gameconfguide.com) will prove the point of how little they care.

          It is all about gameplay, taking advantage of gaming IP, franchaises, how to squeeze the ultimate performance out of specific hardware, user engagement,....

          You will find an occasional talk about open APIs, probably even done by some Khronos folks, and that's it.

        • krautsauer4 hours ago
          opens wikipedia (Emphasis mine:)

          > Moats were excavated around castles and other fortifications as part of the defensive system as an obstacle immediately outside the walls.

          Unfortunate wording?

          • dbdr4 hours ago
            Moats are supposed to be obstacles for your competitors, not your consumers.
            • ImHereToVote2 hours ago
              It's akin to building a moat inside the castle.
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      • throwa3562623 hours ago
        Why?

        I thought these GPU were open source with mainline kernel support?

  • cubefox3 hours ago
    This should have happened years ago.
  • gitowiecan hour ago
    The worst opening ever "Demands from mobile users continue to grow.". I stopped reading bullshit
    • chromeheartsan hour ago
      This is probably not about "mobile users" as in Android Phones & iPhone users .. but about the current (trendy) rise of handheld consoles ? Atleast that's what I think
    • mrheosuperan hour ago
      Why is it bullshit ? Just because you dont need does not mean it’s not real