10 pointsby hasley2 hours ago4 comments
  • hasley2 hours ago
    I feel so angry with and ashamed of my own country in a way I cannot even find words for.
    • mrtksn28 minutes ago
      It appears that every 5th or 2nd German likes them a lot, depending on the state. Why is that?

      Is Russia going the have Soviets 2.0 where this time the Orthodox Church is part of the administration and Germany will be Nazi Germany 2.0 but this time Jews and Homosexuals are welcome?

      • lukan20 minutes ago
        They don't like them. They just hate everything established more. Reasons: Migration Crisis, Corona, ... bitterness about the world in general.
        • mrtksn13 minutes ago
          Are you sure about that? Landslide surely implies dissatisfaction with the others but it also implies tolerance. Apparently Germany will give it a go. The turnout is extremely high, they didn’t just not go voting, they actively showed up for AfD.
          • lukan5 minutes ago
            Since I live in a area with high AfD support, yes I am sure that they don't "like" this party in the usual sense you would use that word. For some it is rather cult like, they are united in hate, in not much else. If they really would succed and take power - they would start bloody infighting very, very quickly (it shows quite often already).
            • mrtksna few seconds ago
              How much would you say that US billionaires can be credited for this? It’s very weird to watch US billionaires, UK right wingers, Putin and other long time rulers seem like having a group chat and being in sync.
    • TacticalCoderan hour ago
      > I feel so angry with and ashamed of my own country in a way I cannot even find words for.

      I feel so angry and ashamed for what the EU bureaucrats and politicians have done to the EU.

      Many people do feel like me. I'm not german but I know that half of that region didn't suddenly wake up "neo-nazis": they're people who are fed up with what the politicians have done to their countries.

      You cannot change abruptly systems / countries / cultures by flooding them massively with migrants from different cultures by the tens of millions and expect the entirety of the population to, like you, beg for more.

      • EA-316728 minutes ago
        Maybe they woke up one day and realized that the tolerance offered to neo-Nazis had been increasing steadily, and a tipping point had been reached where they could finally be themselves in public? I mean if you want to do what we (the US) did and pretend that this is all about economic and social anxiety go ahead, but you're going to learn the same lesson we did too:

        Some people have never changed, only hidden, and now they're coming out. They've been trying since day one, but enough of the people who remember the bad old days are dead, and everyone needs to relearn the cyclical lesson once again. Usually it doesn't take a major war, hopefully this time won't either.

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  • Hackbraten2 hours ago
    Misleading title. The correct title is: Germany’s far-right AfD projected to win eastern state but unclear if it will be able to govern

    Please fix.

  • u1hcw9nx2 hours ago
    The only question is if they get 42 votes required for simple majority in Saxony-Anhalt, or maybe just 39 votes.
    • lukan2 hours ago
      More critical will be, whether BSW will make their 5% because they would help the AfD to get power (they said so clearly).
      • u1hcw9nxan hour ago
        For those who don't know Sahra Wagenknecht Alliance (BSW) is batshit crazy "left-authoritarian" far-left party.
        • lukanan hour ago
          Demonstrating the in my opinion not so well working left-right as a meaningful political description as a concept in general.
  • rvz2 hours ago
    > In a fracturing political landscape, the AfD is now Germany’s most popular party nationally, though other parties have ruled out forging coalitions with the AfD in a policy known as the “firewall.”

    What exactly went wrong for this catastrophe to happen?

    • u1hcw9nx2 hours ago
      Wrong? It's not politicians misleading people. People want this. Normal people are not "good" or "pure", they like many bad tings and Germany is a democracy.
    • lukan2 hours ago
      "What exactly went wrong for this catastrophe to happen?"

      Many things.

      "most popular party nationally"

      But not as bad as it sounds, because we have many different parties, and the majority is not AfD.

    • TacticalCoderan hour ago
      > What exactly went wrong for this catastrophe to happen?

      The AfD's only selling point is that they'll end immigration.

      Here's what happened: 2.6 migrants coming to Germany in 2022 alone. Net migration into Germany in 2022: +1.4 million.

      There are many germans (and many people in the EU) who don't like to see mass-migration from Africa and the middle east.

      It's those who let that happen (and pushed for it) who are responsible for people voting for extremist political parties.

      The same is happening in France and even Gabriel Attal (ex french prime minister) said France failed to control both its legal and illegal migration and that now he wants to only allow in migrants who are coming to actually work (Gabriel Attal is probably going to be a candidate to be the next french president).

      You cannot look at the AfD and say "bad AfD" / "evil neo-nazis germans who voted for them" and not take a cold hard look at what happened with migration in the EU these last years.

    • locallostan hour ago
      Burden of the unification, where the eastern states are still lagging in many areas, got the ball rolling. Pent up dissatisfaction. Eventually it rolled over to the rest of the country with COVID, stagnant economy, social media FUD etc. A lot of the same forces that drove Trump's election. People are afraid and dissatisfied, but they cannot really say why. I know, I try to listen to them. "Our educational system is falling apart". I have two kids in school, the opportunities they get are awesome compared to what I had.

      It's difficult to convince people in an idea if your goals are noble. If they are not, it's a lot simpler. The basic fear is that they will lose what they have right now and are easily manipulated into magnifying those fears.