Just for reference, stuff like this is exactly why some people oppose the forced Apple/Google requirement in government systems like the new eIDs (eIDAS) in Europe. If you're forced to use Apple/Google for digital identification, playing around with your Google account and get it banned can have disproportional consequences. Suddenly you're locked out of all online government systems.

Banning the entire account rather than AI access is wildly user hostile. People have years of emails and calendars on their accounts.

And then you get to fight the support bots and eventually go to the actual unofficial Google support - asking hn whether anyone knows someone with a pulse at Google.

Apart from the products not being very competitive this is the main reason I'm reluctant to use any Google models / AI products. The account is way to precious thing to lose based on some AI classifier misfiring and then you know there's good route to get it reenabled.

This is exactly why I haven't used any of Google's AI stuff. Unlike other providers, I'm risking my email and internet service (GFiber!) to some capricious ban-happy whim you probably can't even appeal.

> (from Twitter) ...My Google account too valuable to risk it impacted by Antigravity usage

If your account is that valuable, it's time to consider moving to a self-hosted option. Or at the very least, start by purchasing a domain and linking it to your Google account, while keeping offline backups of all your emails and documents.

The real problem isn't that Google might accidentally ban you; it's that there's no way to get a human in the loop to review the issue. My client is an enterprise GCP user paying a hefty sum every month and getting someone knowledgeable typically means wading through Gemini or talking to (non-technical) support who just read GCP documentation back to you; and it can take months something to get resolved. Now imagine the situation for someone paying nothing or a double-digit for their gmail account or workspace.

I'm aware people will complain that self-hosting is hard, insecure, etc. but it's like a backup: an annoying process you truly appreciate when shit hits the fan.

The larger issue here is the fact that access to an account can hold you hostage and impact your life in essential services.

We should really find a way to break the tightly coupling to these platforms, including mobile carriers, and not have to live in fear.

Having a real representative of each platform in a government branch under regular hours that citizens can access with their documents so that any issues with it can be dealt is a good first step.

I don't get these model providers forcing people to use their (bad) software. I just downgraded my anthropic account because I can't stand the bugfest that is Claude. I won't even touch google for AI. Doesn't matter if your model is good if I have to use your software.

If there is any company that can "ban your account" which would result in big problems for you (because, for example, they host your E-mail which means you've just lost access to password recovery for every account you have) with no recourse or due process, you should seriously rethink your approach to your online life.

Host your own E-mail, people, or use reliable E-mail providers that are not huge corpo-behemoths that sell you to advertisers. Those smaller E-mail providers will have actual support that you can contact in case of problems and will not "ban you".

I can be fairly confident that when Google says they don’t see your data, they don’t.

I am also fairly confident that nobody sees the moderation decisions either.

You may also be banned by asking "sensitive" or "inappropriate" questions. So normal usage of Google AI products could also be risky.

I don't care if my Claude or OpenAI account is banned, but risking a Google account is different.

Good that I saw this.

The VSCode Antigravity extension I was using turns out to be a 3rd-party one. I found out only today that there's an official extension too, which I think wasn't there earlier.

I don't understand why google are being like this. This is an opportunity to extend an olive branch to developers (like openai has) and a great way to get data around how people are actually making this model work for them regarding coding…

This is why I'm hesitant to buy Google AI again. I don't want to risk some npm install compromising my Google account which also happens to do AI coding.

Well, I’m glad I’m not using my google account for much any more.

Is OpenAI the only one that allows this? Because Codex without codex is fantastic.

I've built a personal meta-harness on top of agy, cc, codex, kiro-cli, ollama that I use to schedule jobs, run oneshot tasks, etc. which provides a general API for my other personal apps that need to do some inference. For example, I built a personal trip app for an upcoming family vacation that uses the inference API to do things like research locations and plan routes, it basically just calls the various cli harness underneath, so it would look like i'm using them directly with their respective model.

I wonder if that would get my google account banned? If so i'm definitely taking agy out of the provider options..

What is preventing anyone from automating on top of the normal google Antigravity CLI?

What is third party? If I self-host OpenClaw, is that third party?

If I write my own harness, is that third party?

Insane policy

Why bother creating a CLI and OAuth interface if your ToS punishes for using it

I've had Codex use antigravity for subagents with 'agy -p'. Is that considered 3rd party usage?

Can someone point to a mirror of this X link ? It wants me to install the app to read something that I could/should be able to read using my browser.

I think an interesting side of this conversation is how the Google employees are jumping in with DARVO attacks, trying to accuse people of spreading misinformation when they're literally quoting the ToS.

This is something I've seen happen a lot with Google- their employees (especially the director+ folks) are absolutely rabid on social media when it comes to defending their products, and they don't let little things like "facts" get in the way.

Google needs to get a better social media policy because they look like clowns when they do this.

My friend got a ban by using Pi agent with Antigravity.

They un-banned him later, but that was enough to stay away. There are much better services than Antigravity out there.

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Liberate yourself from Google - the de-Google movement is gaining more momentum every day.

Just google things. If you buy a monthly package, you pay next day, let's say on the 15th. Then they again pull the monthly amount on the 6th of next month. They pocket your money and the moment you have any issues, well, go F yourself. Everything is automated. They shove your arse out from any service they deem redundant or useless. They zero your data without recourse.

GOOG is like a soulless, flesh eating antihuman robot, junkie monopoly-behemoth. Terrible UI/UX, very good models, braindead execution. Protected entity, just like NVDA.

Btw Antigravity is the worst of all environments. No money for the braindead. Well, bring your money elsewhere, to small joes instead.