95 pointsby HelloUsername8 hours ago10 comments
  • rpdillon6 hours ago
    Better link about the background here is on SteamDB's blog: https://steamdb.info/blog/steamdb-nexus-mods/

    It seems pretty standard in terms of trajectory: hobby project blew up and became a thing people relied on, founder grew up over the years as well and can't sustain it. Company steps in to provide the "right resources", but inevitably doesn't emphasize too much the changes that will be needed to make it "sustainable".

    > Running a service like SteamDB is not easy. I wouldn't be able to live with myself by either just letting the site run as-is and letting it wither, or completely shut it down. In January, I started looking for a worthy partner that could continue the legacy that I had built.

    > This is where Nexus Mods comes in.

    And Chosen's CEO:

    > Our job isn't to change what makes SteamDB special. It's to give it the resources, team and long-term stability it deserves, while building a sustainable foundation that allows us to keep investing in and improving it for many years to come.

    So the real news here is what "sustainable foundation" means.

    • Sivart134 hours ago
      > So the real news here is what "sustainable foundation" means.

      I think that's answered pretty well by the 5 ads that open when I visit the announcement page on nexusmods.com link in the OP vs the speedy and clean UI that on the steamdb.info version (for now).

    • Yannik_Scan hour ago
      I think this one particularly interesting and it really explains to me how a caring and passionate person would do such a move.

      > After COVID and with the rise of AI, the internet we once loved is gone, and with it my passion.

      And I really have to say that it's very relatable.

    • HelloUsername5 hours ago
      > https://steamdb.info/blog/steamdb-nexus-mods/

      Someone posted that before I see (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49534491) so perhaps post can be merged to there

    • Akronymus3 hours ago
      They claim no ads on steamdb, but they also claim "show what games have a thriving modding community" or something like that. Which implies linking to modding hubs, which implies linking to nexusmods, which I'd 100% deem as being ads.

      Just because it's ads for another site within the corporate umbrella doesn't make it any less of an ad. I also expect that to be just the start of the enshittification. I fully expect them to remove features, then add "new" features that are basically the same as the old ones, but that time behind paywalls. So that they can claim that they technically aren't making free features paid.

    • doctorpangloss4 hours ago
      i don't know. the whole operation was kind of obnoxious. valve could provide all this information for free in an afternoon, but chooses not to. of course, by information, i mean: historical, per-user purchasing histories, which are 1,000,000% the most valuable piece of data. but since the guy who ran steamdb doesn't make games, he didn't comprehend what it was that was valuable, and instead, focused on CSGO "leaks."
  • schnebbauan hour ago
    This uses a load of private Steam API endpoints to work, and I think Valve has just allowed that because it's a loved community project.

    Maybe they'll change their minds when NM tries to monetize it. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if they just create their own first-party version, then nuke this one.

  • oybng3 hours ago
    Well it's dead now. The demise of NM has been very public
  • Sweepi4 hours ago
    FAQ by SteamDB: https://steamdb.info/faq/?guildid=215154001799413770#why-sho...

    "Why should the community trust Nexus Mods with SteamDB?"

    You shouldn't have to take our word for it, so here are the commitments, in writing, that you can hold us to:

      SteamDB stays free.
      Nothing currently free goes behind a paywall.
      We don't sell your personal data.
      SteamDB keeps its own identity, site and community.
      The extension stays free and keeps working.
    • PunchyHamster3 hours ago
      none of that is legally enforceable so none of that matters, we had million stories of companies going back on their word, it isn't worth the rust it is written on
    • NamlchakKhandroan hour ago
      Lmfao
  • opello5 hours ago
    Title has an extra d after Steam.
  • haunter6 hours ago
    And the company behind Nexus:

    >We acquire. We amplify. We conquer.

    https://www.wearechosen.io/

    lmao good luck.

    Love how the guy was running the site alone becaue he couldn’t “trust anyone else” and ended up selling to a company like this.

    Though SteamDB is not irreplacebale at all, it’s running on the Steam Web API so not something super secret stuff.

    • 2001zhaozhao4 hours ago
      > Though SteamDB is not irreplacebale at all, it’s running on the Steam Web API so not something super secret stuff.

      Is it possible to use Steam API to collect all the data that SteamDB collected over the years again?

      Alternatively, maybe someone needs to to scrape SteamDB asap before they lock it down?

    • johen84 hours ago
      Damn, good for him, I guess, but what a bummer, I wonder how they'll enshittify the site. Also a reminder for everyone to disable or at least keep an eye out for updates on the extension. They say in the FAQ they won't change it, but i've been burned before by such promises
      • flaunf2214 hours ago
        Nexus was sold to those new owners a bit over a year ago.

        Nothing changed for the worse since that time. So don't expect any immediate changes.

    • bakugo5 hours ago
      Okay, so go ahead and replace it. Even if we ignore the whole historical data aspect of SteamDB, you may find that accurately tracking and storing as much data as possible for hundreds of thousands of apps on Steam may not be as easy as it sounds, especially when you're doing it for free.

      SteamDB is (was) one guy's passion project, that's the only way a site like this can work, and passion projects in tech are a thing of the past. There's no way to monetize it without making it borderline unusable. I am confident that, when SteamDB inevitably becomes a cesspit of intrusive ads and/or starts locking features behind a paywall (that no one will pay for, because paying a monthly subscription to see metadata for Steam games is insane, which will lead to more desperate measures and possibly an eventual shutdown of the site), no suitable replacement will be made.

      • doctorpangloss4 hours ago
        The most valuable data is the per user purchase histories from before the time those were hidden by default.
        • jamesnorden4 hours ago
          Why is that "valuable"?
          • NamlchakKhandroan hour ago
            So we know how many hentai games you've bought
          • doctorpangloss40 minutes ago
            they basically map out the paying audience for your game on Steam
    • tencentshill6 hours ago
      The fundamental function of the site can now be vibecoded in a day, so now has no value. The daily visitors are the only unused item of value remaining.
      • Banditoz5 hours ago
        I await your repo tomorrow, then! I'd be happy to use an alternative with all backfilled playercount data and sales history that hasn't been sold out.
      • amiga3865 hours ago
        SteamDB is itself a massive collection of data - on pricing, game usage, etc. Scraped over years, in a way that Valve tolerate.

        It could not be vibecoded in a day unless you want to hallucinate the data, which makes the site useless.

        In fact, if the techbros actually tried, they'd force Valve into putting up anti-scraping countermeasures on all their APIs within hours.

      • whatevaa3 hours ago
        Go ahead and do it just to prove a point.
      • bjord5 hours ago
        that's optimistic
      • pathartl5 hours ago
        The value is in the contributed art.
  • hurricanepootis6 hours ago
    So, looks like SteamDB is gonna get a billion features behind paywall. Probably gonna rate limit how many depots you can look up for free within the hour lol
    • bjord5 hours ago
      I think that's perfectly reasonable if it means a more sustainable future
      • brink5 hours ago
        Is it for a sustainable future, or just extracting maximum value from the user?
      • bakugo4 hours ago
        Are you speaking purely out of principle, or do you truly believe it makes sense in this particular case?

        Personally, I just can't imagine anyone paying a monthly fee just to access metadata for Steam games and nothing else. At least with Nexus Mods, you're paying for (easier) access to actual content for your games.

        • Groxx4 hours ago
          Probably speaking as someone who has used nexusmods in the past decade. Their monetization stuff is on the "lolwhat, that's kinda excessive" side of things.
      • giancarlostoro5 hours ago
        Probably have ads because idk who would pay to lift those limits.
      • PunchyHamster3 hours ago
        apparently it was sustainable just fine before
  • PunchyHamster3 hours ago
    R.I.P. it was a good site and couldn't fall into much worse hands
  • amiga3865 hours ago
    Ah yes, Nexus Mods, where they'll ban you for making mods that change "Body Type A" and "Body Type B" back to "Male" and "Female", or remove mandatory pronoun selection.

    https://www.gameslearningsociety.org/did-nexus-mods-ban-pron...

    And while they're still full of mods adding anime waifus into Skyrim, they'll ban anyone who uploads "content deemed illegal by English law" because they love sucking up to the Online Safety Act. (The site should really not be hosted in the UK until that law is repealed)

    https://forums.nexusmods.com/topic/13520419-thevogelman-bann...

    Does this mean that Steam's porn games will disappear from SteamDB as Nexus Mods puritanically censor their new acquisition?

    • seanw4445 hours ago
      Do you know of any good alternatives to Nexus Mods? A peer-to-peer system would be really cool. Mod hosting over something like Reticulum, with mod manager integration, sounds like a dream.
      • keyringlight3 hours ago
        And there's an example of one of the contradictions of modern PC gaming, for as much as it'll get hyped as a mostly open platform with a lot of freedom (in comparison to consoles), there's an awful lot that has coalesced on a small number of services over the years where an awful lot of value can vanish instantly if someone makes a decision you don't agree with or a service gets disrupted/closed.
        • seanw4442 hours ago
          We still have the ability to use a different platform though. It's entirely up to the users to choose which services and programs to use to accomplish their goal. With consoles, you just get what you get, and have the privilege of paying a monthly subscription just to play multiplayer. When the demand for an alternative gets high enough, one will appear, because we have that ability.
      • long___cat3 hours ago
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    • c-hendricks4 hours ago
      Try quoting the full line, not just the part that scares you:

      > Uploading content deemed illegal by English law (indecent depictions of minors)

    • forestingfisher4 hours ago
      Just Web 2.0 and it’s consequences.
    • bakugo5 hours ago
      Knowing Nexus, I do expect some manner of censorship, though the exact form this censorship will take remains to be seen.

      I genuinely wouldn't be surprised if they started taking payments from game publishers to hide historical player count data for certain games that aren't doing very well.

    • Natfan4 hours ago
      sounds a bit... snowflakey of you
    • speedgoose3 hours ago
      Allow the vocal snowflakes who can’t accept a video game featuring a tiny bit of non binary gender identity, and sooner than later you face the nazi bar problem[0].

      It didn’t take long for x.com, previously known as twitter.

      [0]: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Nazi_bar

      • floro2 hours ago
        Yep. I remember Nexus mods removing mods that turns gay characters straight while allowing mods that turn straight characters gay (Cyberpunk). It's super obvious this platform is politically motivated and not motivated to let the user decide which mods they want to use.
      • charcircuit2 hours ago
        >vocal snowflakes

        This ad hominem is unnecessary when we are talking about quality of life mods. Of course quality of life mods are going to address what people are complaining about. That's the whole point of them.

        >the nazi bar problem

        Nexus Mods doesn't ban mods adding the trans flag to the game. Does this mean they are going to have the trans bar problem? You can make this same argument about everything.

        • wyrdcurt32 minutes ago
          Can't imagine any reason why anyone who wants trans people to feel welcome would also want nazis and their friends to feel unwelcome... couldn't have anything to do with the fact that nazis systematically rounded up trans people, executed them, and erased their culture, could it? /s

          More directly, are you really using a false equivalence to counter an "ad hominem"?

          "Quality of life", that's a euphemism for queer erasure I haven't heard before... and here I was thinking a quality of life mod was one that fixed a janky UI or smoothed out a grind, that kind of thing.

          You certainly could complain about a "trans bar problem" if you like, and you could even go make your own nazi bar if not having one bothers you enough -- though it's pretty clear what that would say about your values.

    • Philpax4 hours ago
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    • yreg4 hours ago
      > Ah yes, Nexus Mods, where they'll ban you for making mods that change "Body Type A" and "Body Type B" back to "Male" and "Female", or remove mandatory pronoun selection.

      Oh, no. If this is the most severe issue that the company has then we are fine.

      • yipinwong4 hours ago
        It's an example of broader issue.

        You don't get what @amiga386 was implying

        • solid_fuel3 hours ago
          > It's an example of broader issue.

          Be specific, use your big-person words like an adult. What specifically is the broader issue?

          > You don't get what @amiga386 was implying

          I think most of us get exactly what they're implying - they don't agree with the politics of the people running nexus (seems like they're scared of pronouns to me) - and don't really have anything concrete beyond that, so they're waving their hands and complaining about nexus abiding by the law.

          • indyan hour ago
            We don't like having an ideology pushed on us. That is the issue solid_fuel
            • solid_fuel27 minutes ago
              Nobody is “pushing an ideology” on you, indy.

              Nexus mods is allowed to choose what they want to host. If you want to share a mod they don’t accept, host it somewhere else.

          • NamlchakKhandroan hour ago
            Scared of pronouns.

            Bwahaha.

            Ok

            • yipinwong21 minutes ago
              that's what you are thinking we are "scared".

              not scared it's a different reason, where you think on the surface that's the issue you dummy who can only see the surface.

        • rstat13 hours ago
          Sounds like they were getting overly upset by things that don't effect them and also...checks notes a website following the law of the country they're based in.

          Really weird things to be getting upset over if you ask me.

          Regardless of the stupidity of the law (which don't get me wrong, the Online "Safety" Act in the UK is incredibly dumb) you still have to follow it until its struck down or replaced.

        • floro2 hours ago
          They pretend not to get it because they agree with what Nexus mods is doing.
        • yreg3 hours ago
          Then why choose the most inconsequential example (IMO) I can imagine?

          And what's the broader issue? That it's moderated?

        • itsdesmond3 hours ago
          Y’all cowards always implying. Say the thing you think. Just say it. I’ll start: I think getting upset by a pronouns dropdown is literal homophobia, in that y’all are so scared, worried, and bothered by thinking about gay shit that you’re installing software about it.

          It’s weak. Y’all are weak.

          • jamesnorden3 hours ago
            God forbid you install a mod that modifies a game.
            • solid_fuel2 hours ago
              Good news! You're still allowed to install whatever mods you want.

              Expecting Nexus to host mods they don't want to host is idiotic.

              Hiding the whole complaint behind an implication is cowardice.

              Hope that helps.

  • gpiechnik25 hours ago
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