51 pointsby rdmuser5 hours ago16 comments
  • gizajob4 hours ago
    Canada should change the name of the country below them to “Bottom Canada”

    Honestly can’t believe there’s a few million very smart people in America who have to put up with this. Bridges for Americans worldwide are being burned to the ground and there’s no sign of a new enlightened political age arriving on any horizon. Canadians also don’t seem to understand that this situation is only going to get worse and America can no longer be considered a friend.

    • ryandvm17 minutes ago
      On one hand, this shit is wildly embarrassing on the world stage. But on the other, I am kind of glad that he's passing these incredibly stupid, petty, and ineffective Executive Orders.

      He is absolutely trashing the GOP brand with this shit. Granted, 30% approval is pretty embarrassing, but you have to remember every population has a bottom 3 deciles. Besides, almost everything destructive that he's done this term has been via XOs which can just as easily be unwound by the next admin.

      The farther they let him swing the pendulum on this culture war nonsense, the greater the backswing is going to be. Honestly, I'm kind of hopeful the millenials are going to finally deliver socialized health care for the US in the next 10 years.

    • roter2 hours ago
      > Canadians also don’t seem to understand that this situation is only going to get worse and America can no longer be considered a friend.

      As a Canadian, I very much understand that this will/can get worse, and not just for the US. The problems of America do not stop at Trump. He is merely the distracting, mercurial figurehead of a dysfunctional government and populist movement.

      It is not a matter of friendship --- the average American isn't that different than the average Canadian. Some of my best friends and favoured colleagues are Americans. We can't turn this into Americans v. Canadians. We're all just getting exposed to the same social media cues that feed on fear and despair driven by profit and bad actors which leads to an erosion of trust and goodwill. America may just be a few short years ahead of the rest of us. We need to recognize who/what is driving us apart and fight that.

      • gizajoban hour ago
        I can totally appreciate that there’s really not much of a difference between Americans and Canadians in terms of mindset and habits. What i mean is that if Canadians are going to want to stay as Canadians, then they really are going to have to fight for it.
    • yogthos4 hours ago
      North Cuba yearns for freedom and democracy.
  • cebert4 hours ago
    I apologize to my Canadian friends. This is embarrassing.
    • VladVladikoff4 hours ago
      As a Canadian, we are mostly just laughing about how childish he is. As a Canadian business owner who has American customers, I’m far more concerned about his temper tantrums relating to trade, however so far they have not impacted my sector.
      • JKCalhoun3 hours ago
        As an USAmerican I am laughing as well.

        (Laughing and crying.)

    • abirch4 hours ago
      This is Idiocracy the movie IRL. I can't wait for plants to need electrolytes.
      • throw0101a4 hours ago
        > This is Idiocracy the movie IRL.

        The difference being that in the movie Idiocracy the President didn't assume he knew everything and was willing to listen to people who knew more than him.

        • ryandvm4 hours ago
          Jesus, please do not remind me that the President in Idiocracy had better leadership skills than our actual President.
      • gizajob4 hours ago
        Putting a UFC fighting cage on the lawn of the White House was another acceleration in that direction I didn’t imagine I’d live to see.
      • jameskilton4 hours ago
        No, I'd much rather have Idiocracy than the orange buffoon we actually have in office.
      • BoxOfRain4 hours ago
        I always felt that film was lazy in how it presents its premise.

        Maybe there's naunces I'm missing because I'm not American, but it made me feel a bit gross in the same way a lot of pop culture around 'chavs' in the UK made me feel a bit gross. I don't think always refraining from punching down is a good rule in comedy, but I struggle to find much comedy in things which are nothing but punching down.

        • gizajob3 hours ago
          Idiocracy is more like a work of Baudrillardian philosophy though, it isn’t punching down, it’s extrapolating upwards.
          • BoxOfRain3 hours ago
            Admittedly it's been a long time since I watched it but isn't the introduction sequence straight-up apologia for the theories behind eugenics? The idea 'what if society got massively more stupid' isn't a bad one for a film but 'the rabbit-like hordes of the stupid outgroup ourbred our elite ingroup to extinction' rubs me the wrong way.

            Maybe I'm being unfair to the film because of the fanbase as well. I've always seen it as a mild red flag when someone says it's their favourite comedy, but it's hardly the film's fault it got popular on places like reddit.

            • gizajob3 hours ago
              I think it’s a joke, not an apologia. If one can’t read it as a joke, then that’s on them. It’s a piece of satire forming a work of political and social philosophy, and a middling straight-to-video movie.
            • creaturemachinean hour ago
              You're reading into it too much. It's more likely they needed a comical backstory, and Flagpole Sitta was playing on the radio.
      • drooopy4 hours ago
        In the meantime, might I interest you in some protein water?
        • polotics4 hours ago
          I disagree.

          This trolling and misdirection are not in the movie. Also, both are clearly effective, and a discourse that warps economic impact on US midterms voters within identities, reduces the chance of exposing the bad consequences and risks of power-politics. So this is quite well timed, and the outrageous quotient is I think also well calibrated.

          Charles Chaplin understood it, so please y'all catch up ASAP.

    • pfdietz4 hours ago
      Yes, but it's also Trump and the GOP self-immolating. November is going to be a historic electoral wipeout.

      I expect the next administration will push through some laws limiting this sort of idiocy.

      • throw0101a4 hours ago
        > November is going to be a historic electoral wipeout.

        So you have faith in the average American voter? (Or at least a plurality of them?)

        • pfdietz4 hours ago
          The polls are increasingly dire for the GOP. They're even losing the military vote.
          • nullocator2 hours ago
            Polls for the last few decades haven't really been all that accurate or good ("it's 50/50" - worthless).

            You also seem to be ignoring all the systematic changes that have been made during Trump 2 in your prediction for such huge wins for the democrats. Things like the final destruction of the Voting Rights Act and the extreme Gerrymandering have gone mostly towards republicans. Also 32% of voters (or more) still don't really see a distinction against Donald Trump and The Almighty. Forgive me but I'm not convinced it'll be the bloodbath you think it's going to be. Democrats might have a minor edge in the house when all is said and done and literally nothing else to show for it.

            • tialaramexan hour ago
              Gerrymandering can help Republicans in the lower chamber† but it can't help in the Senate where they're most scared. Every voter in Texas gets to decide whether to pick Ken Paxton or James Talarico and perhaps more importantly if they can't stomach voting for somebody with a D next to their name, they can decide they were too busy that day to go vote at all so it's not really their fault.

              † But it might not, if you turn five 7/3 R seats and two 9/1 D seats into six 6/4 and one 9/1 you risk a dummymander where too many of "your" voters vote the "wrong" way and you have seven Democrats elected even though you still took almost 50% of the vote in some districts and you drew the maps.

              Now the trouble is that voters seem to be imagining that if the Democrats take the Legislature that's the whole ball of wax and it just isn't. If there's a narrow D majority in both parts of Congress you can expect that to stall the stupidest stuff from Trump which was subject to congressional oversight, but the useless "We need bipartisanship" mewling will start almost immediately from people who apparently were 100% fine with party-line Republican decisions or executive override.

              • pfdietzan hour ago
                Gerrymandering is backfiring on the GOP now. It involves reducing GOP margin in supposed safe districts while concentrating DEM voters in others. But if they get the estimate on GOP voters wrong this ends up creating more DEM districts. And this appears to be happening in some places, including 3 supposed GOP districts in Texas where the DEM candidate is leading.

                When it became clear this was happening some gerrymandering attempts were aborted, for example in Indiana.

                • seanmcdirmid14 minutes ago
                  It’s called dummy-mandering, when you try to create more districts that are less safe with tighter margins, but you get the math wrong or sentiment changes by the time the election comes.
        • maxerickson4 hours ago
          I feel like I am not good at anticipating election results, but anyway, the people arguing that the midterms will be a referendum on the economy make sense to me.

          Expensive gas and groceries are pretty unpopular. I guess some chunk of people will find a way to wholly blame Biden or whatever.

          • kijashdkujdfhas4 hours ago
            > I guess some chunk of people will find a way to wholly blame Biden or whatever.

            Markwayne Mullin, DHS Secretary, just yesterday:

            “You have a Biden administration that is failing the American people because they are allowing millions of people to come into this country illegally.”

            20 months in to a 48 month term and they're still blaming the last guy, and phrasing it as if the last guy is still actively doing things other than having cancer.

            The whole admin is a bunch of clowns. And unfortunately they benefit from a right wing media machine that reinforces the nonsense, and a general media environment that is more than willing to sanewash and downplay.

            • gizajob2 hours ago
              A new dimension of doublethinking insanity if they’re having to hold and express that kind of thought in the present tense.
      • fooqux4 hours ago
        I hope you're right, but forgive me if I don't party yet. I thought the same thing two years ago.
      • bryanlarsen2 hours ago
        Gavin Newsom has indicated he won't remove all the tariffs if he becomes president in 2028, so some of the idiocy will continue.
        • atmavataran hour ago
          That's because the Democrats are controlled rather than true opposition. It still makes the party a better option than Republicans often times, in that they won't intentionally (but will sometimes accidentally) break things or start new fires, but they rarely (if ever) try to fix what's broken or put out existing fires.

          What we really need is to sweep away the existing party duopoly, particularly by dropping the bullshit and actively harmful first-past-the-post electoral system which effectively mandates it.

          • seanmcdirmid8 minutes ago
            Tariffs are very populist and both sides have some amount of support for them, so I don’t see them going away. If anything, the democrats are less libertarian than the republicans (historically, before Trump), so I just don’t see them liberalizing tariffs so much as going back to a more sane Obama-style normal.

            The socialist wing of the Democratic Party is even less libertarian than the moderates, and it’s hard to call them controlled.

      • mathist334 hours ago
        Such laws would be useful everywhere. First rule: whatever you decide, it's effective after 6 months. Second rule: you can't change first or second rule.
      • swed4204 hours ago
        > Yes, but it's also Trump and the GOP self-immolating. November is going to be a historic electoral wipeout.

        > I expect the next administration will push through some laws limiting this sort of idiocy.

        The problem is that the bar is now so low that basically anybody will win, by design.

        They'll pass some surface level bullshit to treat symptoms, like how lakes can or cannot be renamed. But they'll fail to address any root, systemic issues that allowed this BS to unfold in the first place, paving the way for the other half of the Uniparty to resume power 4-8 years later.

        Democracy is illusory.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniparty

        • gizajob4 hours ago
          *American Democracy
          • swed4204 hours ago
            > *American Democracy

            Not according to the link above, and the growing array of solvable yet perpetually unsolved problems in other countries.

            • kakacik2 hours ago
              Swiss democracy is doing just fine, it has frequent changing of power and lack of concentration of it built in much more robustly rather than US' pinky promises and wishful expectations. If only EU would be less pushy in bilateral talks and stop bullying it on internal matters and rather focus on its own rising internal... catastrophe(s) behind the doors.

              Plus frequent public votes on actually important matters, the mark of adult smart population. Politicians globally will go out of their way to explain to you why Swiss model is bad for other places, but it boils down to who holds actual decision power and accountability.

              • seanmcdirmid5 minutes ago
                They did vote to ban minarets, which was odd. Also, the Swiss are fairly conservative in the classical personal responsibility sense, which makes for good citizen voters. They do this through an aggressive policy of education and assimilation that emphasizes “Swissness.” Dropping Swiss style into other countries might not work out as well.
            • gizajob3 hours ago
              That’s just another way of saying “whoever you vote for, the government always gets in” if you limit terminology like that. The rise of the Reform and Brexit party undermines the argument of the Wikipedia page somewhat.
              • swed4203 hours ago
                And what systemic problems have they addressed since then? I don't live there, but it seems that NHS is increasingly gutted by capital interests, with no end in sight.

                At best, you get an illusion of progress. That's not progress.

                • gizajob3 hours ago
                  Very different questions to the one I was answering.
      • morkalork3 hours ago
        >I expect the next administration will push through some laws limiting this sort of idiocy

        "In a 5-4 decision..."

        • tialaramex2 hours ago
          It does feel as though the best chance the US had to fix this in living memory would have been if Biden's response to the "United States v. Trump" verdict had been to immediately execute the Justices who said that's fine.

          They're clearly OK with that, so it's not a problem that we can't ask them because they're dead, but the remaining Justices might now want to weigh in on whether it's OK to kill Supreme Court Justices if you're President, and might perhaps be expected to decide that's not OK and the earlier judgement was flawed.

    • NuclearPM4 hours ago
      We’ll never trust the US again, unfortunately.
    • diego_moita2 hours ago
      > I apologize to my Canadian friends.

      As a Canadian I say: please don't apologize; we're actually enjoying this.

      The US could retaliate in a lot of other ways that could be much more hurtful to us: higher tariffs, break collaboration treaties, etc. The fact that Trump is "fighting back" with something this lame is just funny. It is like watching a 5 year old throwing a tantrum.

      Compare this reaction with dogs. When a rottweiler or Doberman is angry with you, it attacks and hurts you. When a chihuahua or terrier is angry at you, it just makes a lot of noise. Trump's reaction is like a chihuahua, it is not like a rottweiler.

    • charcircuit4 hours ago
      Why not choose to feel patriotic about the decision. It gives us recognition for what we've done with the body of water. Arguably the fact that you feel embarrassed or need to apologize shows the lack of patriotism you feel over the body of water, so I think this new name can help future people feel patriotic over it. There is a lot of power in a name.
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      • kijashdkujdfhas4 hours ago
        The name is older than the US or Canada.
        • charcircuit4 hours ago
          That doesn't mean it should not be changed. How the lake existed back then and how it exists now is different so it is more deserving of a name change than other name changes that have happened.
          • kijashdkujdfhas3 hours ago
            It's much better reasoning than the petulant tantrums of a mental infant.
      • netsharc2 hours ago
        As Oscar Wilde didn't say: "Patriotism is a virtue of the vicious": https://quoteinvestigator.com/2019/06/28/patriot/

        How do you have pride when the leader of your tribe is a liar, swindler, rapist, thug?

        What a simplistic mind that says unthinkingly "Well the leader of my country wants it, I'm not going to question him, rah rah!"

      • text04042 hours ago
        You'll salute a lake but allow masked thugs to execute citizens in the middle of the street. "Patriotism" really is a hollow concept in America, huh?
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    • atonse4 hours ago
      Not sure what’s there to apologize about. Canada can still call it Lake Ontario right? Or I wonder if it matters whether it’s on American soil or not whether international bodies recognize it?
      • Hugsbox4 hours ago
        It's a transparently disrespectful move. Apologizing for disrespectful behaviour is pretty normal.
  • JKCalhoun3 hours ago
    Simple policy (Apple, Google, etc, can adopt):

    Changes to major landmarks require a 5-year grace period (wait 5 years).

  • graemep4 hours ago
    Lots of countries change the names of things, even countries themselves.. Bombay to Mumbai, Ceylon to Sri Lanka, Turkey to Türkiye etc. Yes, some of those are specific to a name in a particular language and all have precedents rather than being entirely new. However, it is a precedent for governments deciding the names of things.

    This, as its just made up, reminds me a lot of political/nationalist renaming of things like roads which is very common in parts of South Asia.

    • Gormo4 hours ago
      Attempts by political states to attempt to nationalize the vernacular should be ignored and rejected in all cases.

      The examples you're citing are less ridiculous than these recent stunts, but still should be considered in terms of their intentions and effects.

      What's the motivation for trying to detatch the name of something from its existing understanding and historical context?

      Why should the attempts to "rebrand" an entire country or geographical feature made by a government -- a particular instituion within society, usually under the control of one narrow faction in opposition to others -- be respected by the whole of society within that country, let alone by people in foreign countries speaking a different language?

      Why should, for example, the Turkish government -- which operates in the Turkish language, where "Türkiye" already was the standard name of their country -- be respected in its attempt to get English speakers to write the country's name in orthography that is not readily pronounceable by English speakers, and using characters that aren't standard on our keyboard layouts?

    • butokai4 hours ago
      I feel like instances of this kind of decision (also from your examples) fall into two groups: replacing names from colonization with local names, and... Second group name left as an exercise to the reader.
      • graemepan hour ago
        There is less difference than you imply. It is nationalists who are keenest on replacing colonial names. Not all name changes are of colonial names either.

        What about when the locals are perfectly happy with the colonial name and politicians (maybe distant from the place) want to change it?

        I read elsewhere that Map Quest refused to use "Lake America". I was pleased to find, pretty much on the other wide of the world, their maps also still use the name "Duplication Road" after many decades.

    • kijashdkujdfhas4 hours ago
      Worse than made up, it's the sort of thing an angry 6 year old would come up with.

      Totally unserious behavior, and it's ridiculous that Americans and the rest of the world have to put up with this nonsense.

      A small number of Republican representatives and senators could end it all today by publicly supporting impeachment.

  • butokai4 hours ago
    I am Italian, and we get quite pissed when the government issues executive orders (the head of state can't do it), although it happens relatively often. I live in France, and when the president resorted to using them it felt like he was threatening democracy.

    The US mechanism seems the strongest of the three, and people have considered this a normal thing in a democracy long enough for this to happen.

    • bakies4 hours ago
      Executive Orders really aren't that powerful. They can only command the executive branch to do something and are not legislature at all. Trump is certainly proving you can get pretty creative with enforcement to enact terror though, I'd agree to that.
      • nullocator2 hours ago
        Half the members of the legislature act like Trump is a king and believe that his Executive Orders are the same as laws signed by themselves. They've said as much on national television.
  • karussell5 hours ago
    See: https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1206310

    name:en=Lake Ontario

    vs.

    official_name:en-US=Lake America

    • Gormo2 hours ago
      Not sure it's really valid to call this "official". Trump can issue an executive order to the USGS to change names in the GNIS, but the use of USGS/GNIS data as the "official" name of things outside of the federal executive's own activities is itself just a matter of convention.
    • ben_w4 hours ago
      Makes me wonder, has North Korea or Iran made an equivalent declaration about naming the USA "사탄의 겨드랑이" or "زیر بغل شیطان"?

      (Google Translate from "Satan's armpit").

      I mean, if temper tantrums by the supreme executive are allowed and all.

      • andrewaylett4 hours ago
        It seems that there are 363,123 `official_name:` tags in OSM [1], and the discussion thread hints that at least some* of them are due to naming disputes. Given (according to the thread) no-one actually renders the tag on their maps, using that tag in this case seems like a good policy.

        [1]: https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/official_name#overvie...

      • abirch4 hours ago
        Or a future president renaming Mar-a-lago as Epstein's Resort... this opens the door to all kinds of petty behavior.
        • ben_w4 hours ago
          He should've renamed New Mexico to New America. I read a while back the state name causes confusion amongst those who think it's part of Mexico.

          And while he's at it, Georgia could become Trumpia to avoid confusion with the nation of the same name. (Why even do you have a state named after the granddad of the king you fought off?)

          But I guess those might accidentally be useful, so of course he's not going to do them. :P

  • bufbupa4 hours ago
    This feels like the right-wing equivalent of pronoun policing lol. Crazy how the extremes of the political spectrum are so close to each other (like a horseshoe), yet hate each other so much. Doesn't seem like the polarization is near to ratcheting down though, at least not by judging from the comments in this thread.
    • Gormo2 hours ago
      > This feels like the right-wing equivalent of pronoun policing lol.

      Nothing about it feels "right-wing" at all -- actual conservatism is all about maintaining continuity and avoiding forced changes to traditional conventions and established social norms.

      Trump and his followers are a competing faction of the extreme left, as should be readily evidenced by his economic policies, and it's not at all surprising that he shares the same mentality of inserting political shibboleths into mundane aspects of everyday life.

    • morkalork3 hours ago
      “If you can be told what you can see or read, then it follows that you can be told what to say or think.”
  • gmuslera4 hours ago
    How much till Planet America?
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  • fallingfrog4 hours ago
    Pretty sure lake Ontario was named after the native people who lived on its shores, not after the Canadian province. I suppose, lake Michigan and lake Huron are the same. Perhaps we can name them all lake America.
    • layer84 hours ago
      The United Lakes of America
    • astura4 hours ago
      It comes from a Iroquoian word meaning "great lake."

      And yeah, the name predates the Canadian province.

    • jmclnx4 hours ago
      Actually for "lake Michigan and lake Huron" I am pushing for Canada to rename it to: "Greater Lake of Obama Nobel Prize" :)
  • josefritzishere3 hours ago
    It has become painfully evident that he has fairly advanced dementia.
  • diego_moita4 hours ago
    As a Canadian, I have to admit: Trump is very, very talented in manipulating the discourse in the public arena.

    Gradually, he is steering away the public discussion from what matters: the Iran War, inflation, the abusive police state created by ICE, the rise of China and weakening of international standing of US... We're making a lot of noise about what doesn't matter: what's the name of a lake.

    It is like when I admonish my 4 year old son about something he did and he replies: "Look over there!". I think the name of this trick is "non-sequitur".

    And you know the funniest part? It has been working for years and will keep working! Remember the "immigrants eat our cats and dogs"?

    This low-level debating is exactly what Neil Postman described in "Amusing Ourselves to Death: Public Discourse in the Age of Show Business", in 1985. The entertainment industry makes everyone stupid.

    • throw0101a4 hours ago
      > Gradually, he is steering away the public discussion from what matters: the Iran War, inflation, the abusive police state created by ICE, the rise of China and weakening of international standing of US...

      The Epstein Files.

    • drstewart4 hours ago
      >And you know the funniest part? It has been working for years and will keep!

      On Canadians too. Remember what party was leading the polls before Trump started mean tweets?

      • tavavex3 hours ago
        Correction: remember what party was leading before they had to fight a far more popular opposition, before they became the recommended choice of the US, before they tried to import the American culture wars into Canada and before they infamously twiddled their thumbs and did nothing while the Americans were starting to talk of annexation?
  • roenxi4 hours ago
    This is an improvement on starting a war on oil markets and getting I've-lost-count-how-many innocents killed in the Middle East. So in many ways this could be considered a step up for US foreign policy. If Trump can stick to low-stakes pettiness that would be a real win for us all.
    • Steve163844 hours ago
      He's doing this as well as all the wars.
  • PowerElectronix4 hours ago
    The clown show will continue until geopolitical goals are achieved.
  • ndsipa_pomu2 hours ago
    We shall now know it as Lake Epstein
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