58 pointsby BearBest5 hours ago17 comments
  • pixelesque3 hours ago
    Title doesn't match submission: it's not really a "coordinate" in 3D space, you "adopt" a pixel from the early imagery taken by the Nancy Grace Roman Space Telescope.

    Maybe that can be reverse-projected back to something like a coordinate (if you know the distance), but it's not the same thing.

    • ortusdux14 minutes ago
      Thank you for the clarification. My brain read the headline and imagined a combination of what3words and the stargate address system!
    • SiempreViernes3 hours ago
      It's a coordinate on the celestial sphere, which is just as good a coordinate as anything else. Now, if the title had said something like "place" you might have a case that the expectation is that a specific spacetime point is being defined.
      • nyeahan hour ago
        So you get a lot more than one point for your money, you get a semi-infinite line.
        • thayne23 minutes ago
          It's actually more like a really, really tall pyramid.
          • zeven715 minutes ago
            If you get a black pixel you get a 46 billion light-year line-cone
        • 17 minutes ago
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        • NooneAtAll315 minutes ago
          by the same logic, you get a lot more than your home lot, but also 6400km of rock below it

          just as useless in practical terms

      • pixelesque3 hours ago
        It's not even that though if we are going to be nit-picky: it's a coordinate (not quite sure what the pixel extent would subtend to solid-angle-wise, but...) based off the coordinate frame of where the space telescope will be when the image is taken in spherical coordinates.

        That's not "exclusive". The "pixel" is the exclusive bit.

        • SiempreViernes2 hours ago
          With much charity I can imagine you meant: "but what if Roman points at the same bit twice and they assign the same patch of sky to different people?". Well, in that case they probably messed up because to me it seems clear they intend to assign each patch of sky to a distinct identity.

          However, as written it sounds like you are essentially objecting that an address along Central Park (in New York city) is "not exclusive" because there are other "Central Park"s in the USA.

      • darthoctopus3 hours ago
        that's only true if Roman were to do a continuous stare. However, it (as with any telescope) has to re-point from time to time in order to look at different targets.
  • NoGravitasan hour ago
    My exclusive coordinates are whatever space I currently occupy.
  • walrus012 hours ago
    Maybe we could map a discrete GUID to some amount of cubic volume of the universe and say that you 'own' that GUID and cubic volume of space.

    Referencing how many possible GUID can exist:

    The total number of theoretically possible GUIDs (Globally Unique Identifiers) is 2¹²⁸, which equals exactly 340,282,366,920,938,463,463,374,607,431,768,211,456. This is approximately 3.4 × 10³⁸ (340 undecillion) unique values

    a really quick calculation says that if you assigned every cubic area of the universe (ignoring that it's spherical?!) to a single GUID, each GUID would 'own' a cube of space about 680 AU on each side. So there's not really that many GUID.

    • antonvs2 hours ago
      This is a complete tangent, but how would you identify which cubic volume you own?

      Would it:

      1. Somehow remain static as stars and planets moved through it?

      2. Be relative to some coordinate system that we define?

      3. Follow some object like an asteroid or planet?

      Option (1) is literally impossible. We tend to think of space on Earth as something you can reliably divide up statically, e.g. you can divide the space inside a box up into cubic segments, and that works fine. But in that case, you've defined a coordinate system relative to the box, which is of course moving through space relative to everything else. You eliminate the motion issue by making everything relative to the box.

      We can't meaningfully do anything similar for the space between astronomical objects. Everything is moving relative to everything else, and there's no way to "stick a pin" in space. In a very real sense, there is no such thing as a fixed, static volume of space - space is relational, it's what exists between separated objects, it's not an object that can be divided up statically. All the relevant physical theories - special and general relativity, and quantum physics - confirm this.

      For option (2), we can try to define a box - a coordinate system relative to Earth, or the Sun, or the Milky Way galaxy, or the Local Group of galaxies, or the Laniekea supercluster, etc. But those are all moving relative to everything else, so any location we identify with coordinates based on that will similarly be moving. One day you might own a piece of space on one side of the Andromeda galaxy, the next day it would be out in intergalactic space (because at those distances, radial coordinates move fast!)

      You might think that perhaps we can define coordinates relative to the cosmic microwave background (CMB) rest frame - the reference frame in which the CMB radiation looks uniform and identical in every direction, i.e. not redshifted or blueshifted. In a certain cosmological sense, this is a good candidate for the rest frame of the universe. But the problem is, how do you assign coordinate values to that? You're left with the same basic problem - any point you pick either can't be reliably identified, or is moving along with some chosen object.

      Option (3) ends up being the most sensible, for the relational reason I mentioned: we can, in many cases, reliably identify a particular object in space. Now we're back to the "star registry" kinds of scenarios, where you "own" a star. Owning a piece of space can't really work.

      • walrus012 hours ago
        As this is all very theoretical and silly I think the only viable option would be to define some spherical or cubic volume of space with an individual star at the center, and say your unique ID number 'owns' that section of space. Which would over a geological time scale move along with the star's movement within its galaxy and the universe as a whole.
        • antonvsan hour ago
          What about rotation, though? E.g. if you fix a coordinate system on Earth, then it rotates through the entire universe on a daily basis.

          We might want to use something like the International Celestial Reference Frame (ICRF), which is designed to avoid rotation with respect to certain distant extragalactic objects.

          You'd also need to take the expansion of the universe into account. You'd really need to start using comoving coordinates (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comoving_and_proper_distances)

          It could make sense to sell spacetime worldtubes instead.

          > geological time scale

          Things appear to move slowly when viewed from the origin of the coordinate system, but unless you take steps to avoid it, like using comoving coordinates, then at great distances the motion of any given parcel would be enormous relative to local matter, easily exceeding the speed of light.

      • rc1an hour ago
        We should dice up time instead.
    • exe342 hours ago
      This reminds me of xkcd/865.
  • nashashmi2 hours ago
    I got to say that while i had heard about jwst every week or so on how it was getting delayed and being overrun with costs, I didnt hear anything about Nancy grace. They were similar in price too.
  • baggachipzan hour ago
    Joke's on them, I already own a star from the International Star Registry 8)
  • swader9992 hours ago
    Is lake Michigan taken?
    • analog3136 minutes ago
      Not any more. The governor of Wisconsin just renamed it.
  • rbanffy2 hours ago
    It’d be nice if we could see the pixel in an image preview. We have images for every pixel assignable, some even as sharp as the ones the telescope will get.
  • PowerElectronix3 hours ago
    Good try, federal agency, good try.
  • vharuck3 hours ago
    I'm happily surprised they didn't ask for money.
    • _joel3 hours ago
      They do this reachout all the time. I've got my (and family members) names on a usb stick held inside it and Mars lander (the non-mobile seismograph, whose name escapes me)
  • kotaKat2 hours ago
    If I adopt a coordinate, does that make me a Space Lord or Space Baron?
  • 4 hours ago
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  • lucascacho4 hours ago
    What a great way to harvest an email list lol
    • HelloUsername3 hours ago
      Just use a temp email (if they allow it) and screenshot the email you'll receive?
    • philipwhiuk3 hours ago
      It's much like their previous stuff - e.g. send your name to the Moon.

      And there's definitely cheaper approaches than sending a $2.7b telescope to L2.

      • rbanffyan hour ago
        They do that for pretty much everything. It’s a nice way to involve the public. It’s mostly harmless (you won’t use an address you consider sensitive).
  • andrewstuart3 hours ago
    I wish to be named Emperor of One Thousand Galaxies.
    • Bluestein3 hours ago
      • andrewstuart3 hours ago
        Yes, I would wear that little emperors hat too.
        • Bluestein3 hours ago
          (And, the sword. The sword is a must ...

          ... poor sap: The sword was amongst the very few possessions found in his rented room when he died, suddenly and peniless.-

    • andrewstuart3 hours ago
      It’s something of a pity NASA doesn’t offer that chance to crush 1,000 independent peace loving democratic galaxies in my brutal rise to power as my soldier fanatics sweep the universe.

      I’d pay for that. More exciting than owning a pixel.

      Imagine the headlines NASA To Sell the Universe.

      • passwordoops3 hours ago
        You just gotta choose the right pixel
        • kakacik2 hours ago
          I don't think there is a wrong pixel, each of them maps into thousands of galaxies but many of them may be outside of our visible sphere of the universe. The fact that even light from those subjects can't reach you is surely just a minor technicality
  • ButlerianJihad3 hours ago
    OK, I adopted Pixel 00150921. It has some nice divisors including 9. Hit me up.
  • kuratkull4 hours ago
    But which one is mine? :S
    • teekert4 hours ago
      Later on you can hover over the image, and the tooltip will pop up the address. It will be a great resource for contacting interesting people! /s
  • mhalikosen2 hours ago
    The generated image has an em dash in it.
  • 8cvor6j844qw_d64 hours ago
    Is this an NFT without the block chain? Sounds like it from a quick skim.
    • swiftcoder3 hours ago
      The idea of personalised pixels goes back way before NFTs, such as The Million Dollar Homepage[1]

      [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Million_Dollar_Homepage

      • 4thguy2 hours ago
        Jeez, that takes me back. I could have sworn that it was earlier than 2005 though
    • LelouBil3 hours ago
      So, simply a *centralized* database?

      Like a plain old database ?

      "NFT without the Blockchain" is a weird thing to say

      • ben_w3 hours ago
        In fairness, nothing about the initials "non fungible token" ever really required a blockchain.

        Though I suppose the only things which I'm aware of which actually benefit from a blockchain was version control systems like git.

        (I heard there's some cases where self-executing contractual obligations are a money saver versus proving you're not engaged in unlawful collusion with the counterparty, but as this didn't come from a lawyer I don't even know if that was true).