22 pointsby swolpersan hour ago7 comments
  • ivolimmenan hour ago
    > Organizations are using agentic coding tools to build software in-house in lieu of purchasing it. Nearly a third of respondents (32 percent) report that their organizations have decided against buying one or more software products or features because they could be built internally with agentic coding tools.

    People think they can do it themself... kind of like how everyone build their own database using Microsoft Access in the 90's. When all software developers needed to repair all the issues...

    • PaulRobinson42 minutes ago
      I am at a point in my career where I'm figuring out where I want to spend the last 15 years of it. I don't want to work in corporate for a long stretch of it. It seems to me, being a consultant to fix all those messes could be a good seam of code face to get stuck into...
      • rwmj36 minutes ago
        It's going to be a horrible job though, the equivalent of fixing Y2K bugs in Cobol code except with code bases that even more vast and unintelligible.
        • jeffreyrogers22 minutes ago
          The LLMs are pretty good at helping with that though.
          • sph6 minutes ago
            I want to believe this is witty sarcasm, given the topic, but you never know these days.
        • sph8 minutes ago
          Yeah, unreasonable deadlines (these are the norm) spent trying to untangle a mass of overly verbose spaghetti code, and chances are there is no budget for you to do it properly, they contracted you only for a ‘bugfix’. It’s just more technical debt on top of technical debt.

          No, thank you. I’ll leave the underpaid disinfestation job to someone else.

          The best fun is when you’ll be called in not to untangle the LLM mess, but to build new features on top of its nonsense architecture and API design, but expected to do it by hand because they have lost confidence in AI.

        • karmakurtisaani18 minutes ago
          It will be messes of python scripts running on some ancient version of python that you have to switch between scripts. All in a folder on some laptop with an outdated OS that you cannot update or everything will break. Business logic obviously not documented anywhere, just mountains and mountains of slop readmes that might be accurate, but also might not be.
    • codingdave13 minutes ago
      Except that isn't how it played out. Most of the Access DBs, spreadsheets, and even SharePoint, Notes, and early Salesforce apps worked just fine without any help from devs. Yes, the devs got called in when those solutions needed to scale beyond a single department, but most of them never did.

      It is far more plausible that we'll see that pattern again - small, department-level vibe coded apps will be around. And things that need to scale bigger will need professionals.

  • mjhayan hour ago
    The ROÍ will be happening any day now, we promise. Please hire more McKinsey consultants who say they’re AI experts.
    • walt_grataan hour ago
      Is there a company that has been more damaging to the software industry than these jokers?
      • dgellow43 minutes ago
        Oracle maybe?
      • inigyouan hour ago
        Apple?
        • piva00an hour ago
          The one who invested in LLVM?
          • inigyou32 minutes ago
            The one who normalised needing approval from the device maker to run code.
        • MeetingsBrowser30 minutes ago
          How so?
        • sublinearan hour ago
          I'm about as much of an Apple hater as anyone else, but you're probably thinking of user interface design (or CUPS).
  • dgellow40 minutes ago
    Do I understand correctly that means there is no AI ROI to show off yet? If correct that’s pretty bad, no?
  • lukewarm707an hour ago
    i look forward to mckinsey being replaced by ai.
    • antisthenes18 minutes ago
      No need, you can replace them with a single sentence.

      Do the most unethical profit-maximizing thing, but also account for the eventual lawsuits and loss of goodwill in your calculation.

  • kittikitti6 minutes ago
    I wouldn't trust anything McKinsey publishes.
  • simianwords26 minutes ago
    As expected the thread is filled with smug comments on how it is definitely not ROI positive.

    The thing I think about is AI is already at that spot where you don’t need a survey or a Randomised Controlled Trial to prove it makes one productive. Sometimes things are that obvious. But these kind of tests and surveys appeal to a certain kind of person who considers IMO the wrong type of things as rigorous.

    • jeffreyrogers18 minutes ago
      It makes organizations more productive at producing code and doing other tasks, but translating that into something that affects PnL is different. Where I work it's sped up individual tasks I've worked on but I don't think it's sped up delivery timelines of any of the major projects I'm involved in. We just added additional verification work with the extra cycles the engineers have now. It's not like that work is useless. It will probably mean I have less debugging to do in the future, but when you look at how the business makes money I don't see it making a big impact.
      • simianwords14 minutes ago
        Based on what you said, would you think firms would dial down AI use in the coming years? If not it stands to reason that it did have big impact.