83 pointsby taubek2 hours ago10 comments
  • avhceptionan hour ago
    We need reliable, real-world ~20mbit/s for our warehouse scanners, not 382722 theoretical Gbit/s 5cm from the access point. And roaming that works instead of stupid clients clinging to somewhere or being thrown into a reconnect loop when the AP tries to get them to roam. I know this is theoretically possible today. But in the real world, I have inherited the setup, so AP locations are fixed for now, clients are some random old handhold motorola android devices and interference is high.

    In comparison, DECT has been flawless in the same space. Set and forget, just works. I always wondered if we could have a kind of DECT proxy on the LAN, and have the ERP application talk to that proxy using DECT... I mean, it's a few EANs and stuff, DECT could handle this easily.

    • rbinv22 minutes ago
      I've had similar issues with clients (Blink camera sync modules) connecting to far-away APs instead of the much closer router. I could not force them to connect directly to the router no matter what.

      Turns out the 2.4 GHz radio of my router had died (Fritzbox 7590, apparently a common issue), thus forcing 2.4 GHz-only clients to use those other APs.

      • spockz5 minutes ago
        In ubiquity gear you can “lock” devices to a specific endpoint. I suspect ultimately you would prefer to have failover available but at least for troubleshooting you can see how it connects to that specific AP. Similarly you could see the amount of clients connected to an AP on every frequency and WiFi version.
      • maccard11 minutes ago
        And actually debugging this unless you have a bunch of enterprise level kit, or know exactly what the failure you’re looking for is is absolutely impossible
        • rbinv10 minutes ago
          I used Wireless Diagnostics.app on macOS ("Scan" window) and looked for the 2.4 GHz radio's MAC address which was nowhere to be found. But yeah, you have to have a hunch.
    • euduhdhbene28 minutes ago
      I was recently made aware of WiFi HaLow. Official standard, ranges into the hundreds of meters. Speed suffers at long ranges of course, but still respectable (50-100kbs).

      Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11ah

      • BlackRabbit16 minutes ago
        Difficult within the EU due to ISM limits.

        Maybe ok for your garden camera where the authorities just don't care. But no go for any industrial usage.

    • mytailorisrich3 minutes ago
      Warehouses, factories, etc need private 5G, not Wi-Fi.
    • abhinavk29 minutes ago
      Ensure your network has no <WiFi6 devices.
      • afavour23 minutes ago
        Easier said than done when you’re dealing with warehouse equipment.
      • asymmetric18 minutes ago
        Care to expand?
    • dmos6241 minutes ago
      Sounds like your old, random clients might be a problem?
    • mschuster9124 minutes ago
      > or being thrown into a reconnect loop when the AP tries to get them to roam

      The AP does not have visibility into what the client actually sees, and no, a coordinator that has knowledge what the APs see isn't that much better.

      Imagine a situation with two APs and a client being in the middle of the two in a RF-impeded situation (i.e. your typical office building). AP1 may "hear" the client better (i.e. it gets a higher RSSI and SNR), but the client may reject it in favor of AP2 because the client sees a better signal coming from AP2 due to reflections, a powerful RF signal from a floor above interfering with the channel of AP1 or God knows what else.

      RF is a weird world.

      • fragmedea minute ago
        How much money do you have? Nokia's Centralized RAN basically solves this by not choosing between AP1 and AP2. The device yells out a packet, both radios hear it, and the signals are combined in baseband processing. Wifi 8 doesn't quite do this, maybe 9's gonna have it. Or the patents run out and the telecom networks cooperate and everything gets a cell modem.
    • jauntywundrkindan hour ago
      DECT or DECT-NR+?

      I do kind of want to play with this.

      • BlackRabbit15 minutes ago
        Any DECT stuff is super expensive if you build embedded software/hardware for it. It's basically Nordic-only.
  • maxglutea few seconds ago
    Time for new steamlink.
  • riobardan hour ago
    > with Wi-Fi 7 reaching a maximum theoretical throughput of 23Gbit per band

    Note to tech reports: do not EVER quote this metric as it is the most useless piece of information.

    • PhilipRomanan hour ago
      "per band" is also hilarious, as if you could get that kind of data rate in 2.4GHz
      • riobardan hour ago
        It's slightly better than the aggregate number :p
  • bjackman33 minutes ago
    I recently upgraded from a WiFi 5 router to a WiFi 7 one, and my bandwidth increase was a grand 0% (that's ok though I was actually just sick of my old router's shitty UI!)

    There is about 10m and a brick wall between my AP and my desk so yeah, a fancy new MCS that can theoretically deliver 25Gbps was just never gonna be useful to me.

    Also I've worked on (other non-WiFi) 802.11 products where our competitive edge was all about interference motivation. Our competitors at trade shows would see the demos and say "that's fake, you guys are cheating". So I have the feeling that in general there might be alpha in more resilient wireless links.

    • eviks28 minutes ago
      How often do you see your router's UI to justify any change?
      • maccard10 minutes ago
        I have a multi AP setup for the same reasons as the parent - large thick internal walls (and a “long” home instead of evenly shaped), and frustratingly more than I want to is the answer…
  • blfran hour ago
    It's the first because we finally caught up on speed. We have it better than I imagined possible.

    Last year, I saw 1600 Mbit/s from the Internet at a normie's place with an ISP-provided router. Still have a cat 6 cable around the living room but haven't used it in the last 2 years. Not exactly wifi but I routinely get 600-800 Mbit on 5g networks in crowded areas.

    • JoshTriplettan hour ago
      Ethernet isn't just about speed, it's about reliability. Before I wired my office, I regularly experienced latency spikes and hangs on video calls. After upgrading, I essentially never do.
    • robertlagrant38 minutes ago
      It's 2026 and I'm running more cat-6 in my home to all my static devices. My theory is using wires lowers wireless contention, leaving more WiFi for the mobile devices.
      • indemnity23 minutes ago
        I put in 2 CAT6 wires to every room in the house (4 in my office, 4 in garage), with one big PoE switch in the garage.

        Everything with an Ethernet port is wired, wifi is for phones and tablets only (a few UniFi WiFi 6 APS).

        Works great!

        Internet has never dropped for me while working, family loves the always working NAS streaming via wired Apple TV.

  • Reason0772 hours ago
    Oh no. I haven't even upgraded to WiFi 7 yet!
    • BlackRabbit12 hours ago
      You are not missing too much.

      One of the core features (MLO) is currently mostly scam. APs/Clients negotiate the protocol (and it shows up in the status) but doesn't it to either increase robustness or bandwidth (by combining/switching between two frequency bands).

      Also the driver quality is a huge mess.

      (We tested it using the latest generation Cisco Enterprise gear but also with Prosumer stuff like Ubiquiti or TP-Link)

      But honestly: we need WiFi-8. It finally brings infrastructure-controlled roaming which is super important for any VoIP service.

      • greenavocadoan hour ago
        > infrastructure-controlled roaming

        802.11 r/k/v exists

        • BlackRabbit122 minutes ago
          That's not controlled, seamless hand-over like we know it from GSM/3G/LTE/5G for 30 years now.

          We basically miss all data (received stations/signal levels from both sides, Bit Rate errors, etc.) for making roaming decisions and then to softly connect them to an AP you want them to be on.

          Enterprise WiFi is currently mostly "This is a list of APs you maybe can connect to.. have fun.. if you can connect we pre-seeded the AP with some crypto data, so it doesn't take ages to negotiate. Here's your (more or less friendly) disassoc. Fuck off bye."

          It does somehow work for stationary setups - but as soon as you have mobile traffic (like walking around or machines moving) the quality hits the shitter brutally.

          Currently this gap is being filled by industrial 5G with dedicated frequencies. It's crazy expensive.

        • avhception43 minutes ago
          On paper, yes. In the real world, that random Android client is clinging to an AP that can barely hear it while a better one would be available.
      • LoganDarkan hour ago
        It sounds like you're talking about throughput aggregation, which indeed no device currently supports. Not even Apple's most recent devices have any sign of it, except that M5 Pro/Max MacBook Pro models are tested for simultaneous transmission on 2.4+5GHz and 2.4+6GHz: https://mrncciew.com/2026/03/17/macbook-pro-m5-wi-fi-7-missi...
        • gpt5an hour ago
          UniFi UDB-Switch has throughput aggregation for 5GHz + 6GHz.
        • gib44429 minutes ago
          5GHz? Surely you mean 5000000kHz ;P
    • manmal2 hours ago
      The upgrade to 6E was a big jump in my network (Wifi7 Unifi Wall AP). On the same spot, the M3 MacBook (6E) has basically zero lag over VNC, while the M1 MacBook (6) has a noticeable lag. It’s a bit mind blowing how big the difference is.
      • InvaderFizzan hour ago
        That is likely because of AWDL and your WiFi card doing channel hopping to listen between packets.

        Set your channels to 6/149/37 and the lag will probably vanish. Exactly because of this, I only run those channels, even across multiple APs.

        In Europe, you may need to use 44 instead of 149.

        There is currently no good way to keep AWDL off other than a script that just turns it off every 200ms, because of course Apple. Also, not always an option with work issued Macs.

    • LoganDark2 hours ago
      I have a Wi-Fi 7 AP and this confused some members of my family that didn't even know it went higher than 6. I thought it was pretty funny
      • avhceptionan hour ago
        My family doesn't know that the WiFi AP is not the DECT base. They understand when I tell them, but that's gone after a week. They use the words WiFi (or, as we say in Germany, WLAN) and "Internet" almost interchangeably. At work, too. "Internet kaputt" can mean anything from "my device is broken" to "our ERP app is not doing the right thing / responding too slow".
        • MrGilbertan hour ago
          You can’t blame them, though. I live in the industry for over 25 years now, and when 5 Ghz wifi got introduced, and started to live alongside 2.4 Ghz with all the different protocols, I was like: "Nah. Screw it." I honestly have no idea what the current hot stuff in terms of wifi is.^^
          • avhceptionan hour ago
            Yeah, I guess I draw the line at the workplace. Some of these "Internet kaputt" cases turned out to be a rejected login to our bespoke ERP website.
        • warpechan hour ago
          That is true everywhere. I think operating systems could do a better job at informing about the health of the internet connection in words the user understands. What seems to be the current bottleneck:

          Your router does not respond. Turn it off and on.

          This comes close: https://www.getapp.com/all-software/a/breakdown/

  • jiehongan hour ago
    > (…) while further increments have been smaller in percentage, speeds have always increased very significantly.

    Off topic, but that sounds sort of contradictory, or misleading at the very least.

  • swiftcoder2 hours ago
    Makes sense. Last router upgrade I reached the point where my wifi speeds (at least near the router) were indistinguishable from plugging into gigabit ethernet - that's fast enough for any home task, and the same speed as my fibre uplink. I can't see chasing speed further, outside of very specialised setups.
  • LoganDark2 hours ago
    Makes sense since a lot of networks don't have access to speed. The highest speeds in my area are around 150MBps, so 5-6GBps or whatever is a perfectly fine upper bound for me. Range and congestion however has been an issue.
    • Reason077an hour ago
      It's nice to have the fastest Wi-Fi possible even if your upstream internet is slower. Sometimes you want to transfer files locally between devices, or run backups etc. Faster Wi-Fi here can make a huge difference to those tasks.
      • Grombobulousan hour ago
        I have found that higher tier WiFi aids local game streaming significantly, but most of that benefit seems to be the 6Ghz band that you get with WiFi 6E.
        • Reason07719 minutes ago
          Yeah. I ran ethernet from my router specifically to improve games streaming (GeForce NOW). It was a huge improvement over standard 5 Ghz WiFi.
          • Grombobulous8 minutes ago
            Oh yeah, to be clear, my host PC is always wired.
    • Gigachadan hour ago
      You can still make use of more. Local video streaming from your PC to tv, file transfers between nearby devices etc.

      Modern wifi is fast enough that using cables is often not required.

    • trvz2 hours ago
      You used the wrong units there. Should be Mbps and Gbps.
      • LoganDark2 hours ago
        I did not use the wrong units, I converted them. The speeds available in my area currently max out at 1.2Gbps which is 150MBps.
        • riobardan hour ago
          When talking about network bandwidth, it is custom to measure in bit-per-second therefore the "bps" notation. If you convert to bytes, it is highly recommended to use "b/s" notation instead, i.e 150MB/s, to avoid confusion.
        • tveybenan hour ago
          But IIRC the de facto unit for network transmission speeds are bits - not bytes - pr second, and when it’s more the rule than the exception than people write ‘B’ in stead of ‘b’ then the confusion gets even higher..

          I would expect this crowd here to not make these mistakes as ofte. :-)

          B is defacto for storage…

          • itopaloglu83an hour ago
            Then we calculate the Bytes to see how fast we can download a file.
        • Grombobulousan hour ago
          That conversion made it confusing because when you say “only” 150MBps that verbiage and the other context of your comment implies slowness, when you’re really talking about very fast WAN speeds, so fast that they actually benefit from having WiFi 7 equipment rather than earlier standards.

          It’s also not really very common to talk about speeds that are 1.2Gbps, that’s a pretty unusually specific speed. I.e., I can buy 500Mbps, 1Gbps, or 2Gbps…not 1.2Gbps.

          So when I first read your comment I totally thought you meant 150Mbps, which is just a whole different ball game of WiFi needs.

        • gib444an hour ago
          The widely-accepted convention is to use bits when discussing line speeds (as the article does).
  • LogTrim2 hours ago
    The peak-speed arms race stopped being interesting to me a while ago. I don't need 20+ Gbit/s theoretical Wi-Fi. I need the connection to stay boring when I'm at the edge of coverage or the neighbours are hammering the same spectrum.

    The 95th-percentile latency and packet-loss targets here seem much more meaningful than another 2x headline speed increase.

    My only scepticism is how much of this survives real consumer hardware. Wi-Fi 6 had things like OFDMA that sounded great on paper, but support/implementation was pretty uneven.

    • itopaloglu83an hour ago
      My neighbor thinks that they can increase their 100Mbps ISP speed by having 5 or 6 access points at 2.4GHz in their 1400sq ft (~140m2) apartment.

      There’s so much interference that the package dropout rate is around 40% at 2.4GHz usually.

      • Gigachadan hour ago
        2.4ghz is pretty bad but the 5 and 6ghz bands don’t really travel far. I’m in a dense area and 5ghz works great while 6 has basically no detectable traffic.
    • WhyNotHugoan hour ago
      Agree completely. Higher speeds are a bit pointless for most users. Unless you have an extremely fast NAS, where you need to copy (not stream) data over Wi-Fi, you're unlikely to be anywhere near the current limits.

      I'm using 802.11ac and see no need for higher speeds.

      • mschuster9123 minutes ago
        > Higher speeds are a bit pointless for most users.

        Higher speeds automatically means less latency and that does matter, especially if you are into stuff like games where every millisecond matters.

        • Hendrikto16 minutes ago
          I think the point is that these numbers are theoretical, and only reachable in a lab. So in practice you do not really benefit.