120 pointsby andsoitis5 hours ago25 comments
  • vintagedave16 minutes ago
    > Why be a writer if you don’t love reading? Why devote your intellectual and emotional energy to creating a book, when it’s a form you’re not invested in? Why write, when you aren’t steeped in wonder of storytelling?

    This is the key point, I think. I've seen the same as the author: people who want to be writers but rarely read books. And I don't get it.

    I recently finished a novel (now shopping around for agents, which was hard enough pre-AI but now...) and reading was integral to writing it. I know good sentences. I know the style of prose I like to read. I know how things can veer between florid and poetic and where the line is. I know how a sentence can be completely different if you read it as though it was spoken, instead of to yourself (some of mine are written to be read.)

    I know the things that annoy me: dropping out to put thoughts in italics; descriptions that specify instead of evoke; characters talking without it leading somewhere. (And much more.)

    How do I know this? From reading.

    And I want to tell the story. It was a story that grew, that I think will anger the right people (it's not too kind to Musk or VCs or the Russian Orthodox Church), and yet is simply an adventure, tumbling our characters from situation to situation like they fell overboard while navigating rapids. Ultimately I wrote a book I wanted to read. It turned out to be about post-apocalyptic startups and sea monsters.

    Someday I'll publish, I hope. And no doubt someone will read it and find style they dislike, learn from it things they don't want to do in their writing, either. But I also hope that there are moments in the book that will inspire someone else, in that they too will want to write, based on what they read.

    • Guestmodinfoa minute ago
      Please please suggest me some books where language and style of speaking sentences takes the crown rather than the story being the selling point.

      I'm tired of hearing about the usual greats and also boor prize ones because they have good characters and good story content or shocking emotionally but are quite bland on the language front because they assume their readers have grade 5 level capacity so the sentences are simple, the vocab is basic. Thank you

    • Luucas409 minutes ago
      I also completely agree with this part. However, writing is its own muscle that needs to be trained and sometimes reading more can also be procrastinating in disguise. What helped me a lot has been: Read a lot because you love it Force yourself to write everyday, even if it’s for 5 minutes or you might postpone it forever
      • vintagedave3 minutes ago
        I agree. My wife is a poet and writes every day.

        I don't, but before focusing on a novel I spent the past couple of decades periodically writing short stories. There is a skill to writing, and it needs the ten thousand hours just like everything else.

        But I cannot imagine doing it without reading first, and alongside.

  • ciconia2 hours ago
    A while ago I took under my wing so to speak the neighbor's kid who plays the clarinet at the local music school, but apparently has listened to very little music (at music school he only gets instrument lessons and some music theory.) I had him listen to a wide range of classical music, just to give him a taste, and see what interests him. I told him: a musician who doesn't listen to music is like a writer who doesn't read books. It's not only the craft, it's also the culture that those works embody, and the feeling of belonging to a tradition.
  • wcfrobert3 hours ago
    Completely agree! I find writing deeply memetic - in that I often catch myself imitating the flow, style, word choices, punctuation and grammar of whatever reading material I'm currently immersed in.

    This unfortunately does not bode well for my writing ability as I read emails and Claude output all day. Recently, I've been reading a lot of building codes and compliance documents and I've develop annoying ticks like using "shall", "need not", "take no exception", overuse of passive voice, etc.

    My hypothesis is engineers suck at writing by default unless they do extra-curricular reading. I read a lot! But sadly it's often textbooks, journal papers, documentations, and Claude. I'm envious of great writers, but I don't have time to read Keats. I'm immersed in Stewart, Strang, and whatever Claude is feeding me next.

    • asdfman12339 minutes ago
      I find it really amusing that there's a sort of standardized Hacker News style that we all follow to some degree or another. It's very polite and academic.
    • Freak_NL2 hours ago
      > but I don't have time to read Keats.

      T.R. Napper explicitly states that you do in his piece:

      > But I am saying this: go look at your phone, and tell me what your average screen time is per day. Two hours? Five? Seven? If so – shut up: you’ve time to read.

      It doesn't have to be Keats. Start by building the habit (read in bed before sleeping!) and just read whatever you enjoy. If Keats seems like a hurdle, just pick up Pratchett or Tolkien.

      • whatever1an hour ago
        Typically screen time is very scattered through the day.

        You cannot read a book in 30” increments.

    • ingvay72 hours ago
      > I often catch myself imitating the flow, style,

      Its a struggle trying to "imitate the style" in writing. In music, you could keep playing all the songs in the style of your favorite artist and possible develop a close stylistic proximity to what you're imitating but in writing do you just write prose with the same wordings? i get the keep reading to develop your style but feels like adapting a style you want to master and then make your own variant is way harder in writing.

      • hansvm41 minutes ago
        "Style" is complicated to copy in both cases if you don't know what you're looking for.

        In music, you have voicing sparsity, changes in voice count, preferred pitch ranges, tension/release cadences, embellishments, richness, playfulness, and a host of other characteristics. Rachmaninoff, for example (among other things), favours active, moving octaves quite deep in the base, extremely rich chords in the middle treble, simple (local) rythymic patterns, and expanding simple ideas like repeated arpeggios into large parts of a piece. He has more voices than other pieces typical of his time, though they tend to be combined somewhat simply when contrasted with counterpoint exercises and other techniques typically involving fewer voices.

        In writing, you have sentence length, sentence complexity (they're different), typical volume used to express an idea, specific word choices, whether you tend to observe concrete or abstract ideas, the level of "truth" in your statements (in many flavours -- deadpan humour being quite different from a boldfaced lie directed toward the reader), technique choice used for signposting, willingness to violate "rules," and so on. If you picked even one project proposal from me at $WORK, you could reliably separate it from those written by hundreds of other engineers just by a few quirks -- habitually providing one level of motivation deeper than is typically expressed in technical writing (not just what we're doing, but what we're not doing and why we made that choice), a tendency to use British spellings and US words, a pattern of contracting any verb tense, sometimes with multiple apostrophes (e.g., "there'll've been"), refusing to terminate a non-exhaustive list without informing the reader that it's non-exhaustive, and so on. If you look at the reasons and motivations for one of those quirks, it's that I tend to have complete ideas (in technical domains) and want to express them completely and have found that every missing detail causes eventual problems -- only tempered by the fact that the requisite length tends also to cause important details to be overlooked on a casual read, which provides a mild damper on length. Understanding that motivation makes it easy to apply it as if you were me even when you don't have concrete examples regarding specific quirk/scenario interactions.

      • klezan hour ago
        I think the issue here might be that you're familiar with what "style" is supposed to be in music, so you know how imitating it would look (rather, sound) like.

        On the contrary, you may have no idea what style means in the context of writing, so you can't fathom what imitating writing style looks like.

        I honestly don't know precisely either, but a couple of things to mull over: Clarke and Asimov are said to have a "dry" style. Most of their novels are "story". On the contrary, Eco describes things in very minute detail (there's a whole chapter in "The name of the rose" that is the description of a door).

        Those are examples of elements of style you may be able to reproduce and that aren't limited to wording.

    • lanyard-textile3 hours ago
      When new deltarune chapters come out, they definitely influence my writing and thoughts lol.

      I find myself rewording things to avoid claude and chatgpt-isms. You don't realize how much you say "You're absolutely right" on a day to day basis...

  • arnejenssen41 minutes ago
    So that means that programmers should read/study the code and architecture of other programmers?
    • bluehatbrit18 minutes ago
      Of course! I don't see how anyone could expect to excel at a craft without also studying the work of others.

      This is where AI concerns me for people who are juniors in their field (software or otherwise). You get quick answers which don't help with learning, and it's very easy to never read the code. It's like a very tempting drug that stunts growth but feels like progress.

  • johnisgood36 minutes ago
    I thought reading is not going to do that much, as it only improves your recognition, not your ability to actively use the vocabulary.

    At least this is what I came to find, as I have some issues currently with "blanking" more than I would like.

    • vuvko28 minutes ago
      I believe it is similar ot other crafts. You won't be a better engineer by only looking at source code. But it does help when you are analyzing a codebase to learn something applicable to your situation. So, it is not "just reading" I believe, but a subconcious act of analyzing.
    • spiderfarmer20 minutes ago
      Like with any advise that ought to get you expertise or ability, if you're not goal oriented, actively gathering and acting on feedback and hyper focused on improving, you will only waste time.
  • YuechenLi2 hours ago
    A lot of time I'm not very confident in what I wrote because I have a tendency to ramble and not get to the point quickly. Reading helps, but it's more about style, doesn't help me express myself more eloquently at all.

    Another thing is that I find myself using AI-isms in daily conversations more and more the more I use them to help me code. "Load-baaring" and "not X but Y" are phrases that I actively have to catch myself to avoid using now.

    • Freak_NL2 hours ago
      Your environment has a huge influence on your language, which is why the advice for anyone writing given here (read, read a lot) is not only sensible but indispensable.

      LLM tropes are one thing, but before those came along you could easily see how someone working in a corporate office would pick up jargon there even if they loath it. Here on HN you can observe certain phrases and words which seem to be part of what some IT professionals use — like the horridly angular orthogonal used figuratively.

      Reading prose written by writers who live outside of such bubbles (or who simply have a good editor in addition to their own filtering) is an antidote to that.

      Working on stylistic issues is a conscious self improvement thing, but you leverage your many hours of reading when you're tackling that. Reading a lot means you unconsciously get good at judging which prose works well and which grates.

    • rickydroll2 hours ago
      I suggest finding an author whose style you like; in my case, it was Isabel Allende. Read their work deeply, effectively taking a bath in their words. Don't stop short of full immersion. Then, write using their style. Reflect on your feeling of discomfort when you experience how their writing style differs from yours.

      Then do the same deep dive for a different author. I may have made a mistake with my current choice, Jill Lepore. I can't tell whether it's her writing style or what she writes about, but it is definitely chewy.

      Writing, programming, or drawing is fundamentally training on somebody else's work. Accept it, get better at it, and then move on.

      • awhiskinan hour ago
        Read their work deeply, effectively taking a bath in their words. Don't stop short of full immersion.

        Just wanted to compliment your writing. Though only a short comment, it painted a vivid picture in my mind.

    • gmueckl2 hours ago
      Rambling is OK as long as you can treat the result as a draft that you can refine. I've often written emails that were three paragraphs in the first draft and 5 lines after deliberate revision. And the shorter revision was always much better.
    • chistev2 hours ago
      Rambling before getting to the point could be your signature style if you do it well.
      • Lioan hour ago
        Almost no body does rambling well.

        In journalism it’s called “burying the lede” and is the most obvious sign of a poor writing, IMHO.

  • js23 hours ago
    Hugh Howey on becoming a writer:

    > Insight #4: The best writers are the best readers. There aren’t any shortcuts around this. Successful writers read. They read a lot. And the best writers read a wide variety of books. It’s impossible to stress the importance of this insight. When aspiring authors ask my advice on making it as a writer, this is my most common first response: Read.

    https://hughhowey.com/writing-insights-part-one-becoming-a-w...

    • sixtyj2 hours ago
      This is awesome.

      > And I’m not even a good example of proper work ethic. I have friends who write, revise, edit, and publish a novel a month. Year after year. I have friends who have published over fifty novels in their first handful of years of writing. Both of my friends who publish a book a month make millions of dollars a year, and they are among the best writers I know when it comes to craft. I can’t put their books down. They pass like Messi.

  • chr15m4 minutes ago
    Brevity tho.
  • randomImmigrant3 hours ago
    I had an odd sense when reading that article… the sense that we’re in truly bizarre times, that such obvious advice needs to be given at all.

    That people in general don’t read, I get. But if you don’t read, why would you want to write? Baffling!

    • plastic31692 hours ago
      It’s the same phenomenon, but I got similar strnge feeling when reading an article from the atlantic about film students who are incapable of sitting through films[0]. Why would you study to make art in a form you don’t even enjoy yourself?

      [0] https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/2026/01/college-students-m...

      • watwut2 hours ago
        That article is about them not wanting to sit through long boring slow paced movies assigned in school. And they scroll the phone a lot. And they wamt to watch them at home, not in class.

        That is NOT the same as being incapable to sit through a general movie. That does not mean they dont like film in general.

  • shamohit711an hour ago
    Polite disagreement. To write (or feel the urge to write), you should have a point of view (unique povs are more interesting). To have a point of view, you need to engage with the thing in front of you. It can be a video that you disagree with, or agentic output you're belting into shape.

    The advice of "read more to write better" is incomplete IMO. I'd change it to "read/engage critically to write better". Else reading results in memetic ideas and tonality

    In fact, you'd want to read less if it means reading deeply

    • tokyoseban hour ago
      Indeed. As a young voracious reader I used to think that more reading is an unmitigated good until I came across Schopenhauer and his aphorisms. I try now to be more selective, life is short, and to engage more deeply with what I read.

      "The art of not reading is a very important one. It consists in not taking an interest in whatever may be engaging the attention of the general public at any particular time. When some political or ecclesiastical pamphlet, or novel, or poem is making a great commotion, you should remember that he who writes for fools always finds a large public. A precondition for reading good books is not reading bad ones: for life is short."

      “Reading is merely a surrogate for thinking for yourself; it means letting someone else direct your thoughts. Many books, moreover, serve merely to show how many ways there are of being wrong, and how far astray you yourself would go if you followed their guidance. You should read only when your own thoughts dry up, which will of course happen frequently enough even to the best heads; but to banish your own thoughts so as to take up a book is a sin against the holy ghost; it is like deserting untrammeled nature to look at a herbarium or engravings of landscapes.”

      • maerchan hour ago
        Nowadays the analogy to “not reading bad books” is “not consuming social media”. Reading a bad book seems so much more beneficial to your concentration, focus and attention span than doomscrolling that it’s a valid recommendation. The bar is low.
    • throwa356262an hour ago
      When you think about it, humans have never been reading as much as we do right now thanks to Internet and digitalisation.

      Yet the quality has gone down when you compare it to, say, 1600's greatest works.

      • fugaziboutitan hour ago
        This is attributable to survivorship bias and the democratisation of information. We aren't exposed to the 99% worst books, plays, pamphlets, and sermons of the 17th century, but we experience the dull ramblings of our fellow 21st-century citizens daily and through many delivery channels.
  • richardatlarge3 hours ago
    Many hundreds of hours of reading will build your vocabulary, and tune your ear to the sound of a good sentence. But it will not make you a writer.

    Reading as a person wanting to become a better writer should be more conscience of what they are reading. I often finish a novel and can't even remember if it was narrated, or how. That is not careful reading.

    I've heard of authors who, went waiting for their muse, just copied novels they liked until they got back in the groove, and this usually helped.

    Practice makes practice. Deliberate practice makes...

    • left-struck2 hours ago
      I think the premise of the article is more that it would be extraordinarily difficult to become a good writer if you didn’t read much.

      Because from the article: > One of the key things I’ve learned is this: there’s no real blueprint.

      So to me it’s saying there’s a lot of different ways to cook this stew but it always requires this ingredient

  • aetherspawn4 hours ago
    Woah. Reading this blog post was like being transported 5 years back prior to the existence of AI. It reeks of pure humanity.
    • ngruhn3 hours ago
      agree, despite the em dashes.
      • jacobolus3 hours ago
        For what it's worth, the linked article has only en dashes. (I have no idea whether LLMs use en dashes.)
      • iainctduncan2 hours ago
        you mean, because of the em dashes? Five years ago I was happil using them without having to worry about this bullshit. sigh
  • jerry6688an hour ago
    You need to read a lot on the homepage, and secondly, you need to develop your observation skills, especially to summarize your views from small things.
  • m4633 hours ago
    Reminds me of bill gates, who said to learn to write code, you have to read as much source code as you can.

    [also, I can't also think about people who I know who talk talk talk (to hear the sound of their own voice?) and never listen... is this part of what he's implying?]

  • wwind1232 hours ago
    Nowadays I mostly listen to e-books when I am doing house chores or driving or doing some other things that require the eyes but not the entire brain. Not sure if it counts as reading. If it does, then I read about 10-15 books a year. I haven't read a long-form book completely with my eyes for a long time.
  • transitivebs2 hours ago
    reminds me of the advice of unpacking your dreams in https://www.experimental-history.com/p/face-it-youre-a-crazy...
  • leecommamichael3 hours ago
    In addition to this, I think one gets even more from reading after having tried to write. There's a unique feedback loop that starts happening once you start creating.
    • m4633 hours ago
      Sometimes I wonder if too much looking behind the curtain might affect you. Like seeing how the restaurant prepares your food. Or seeing that much of apple's look and feel is rounded corners.
  • fuidani2 hours ago
    On the subject, I cannot recommend enough Bird by Bird by Anne Lamott & On Writing: A Memoir of the Craft - Stephen King. Two exceptional books.
  • d--b2 hours ago
    Reading disturbs my writing greatly though.

    I tend to mimic the author I am reading, it’s annoying.

    If I change the book I read while writing something, my text changes tone in the middle.

    I am not a good writer, and I don’t read that much, so maybe that trend goes away when you write a lot, but it’s a pitfall worth knowing

  • fullstackchris2 hours ago
    Mostly agree, but one very small caveat—the books we all get to enjoy as readers have been through (presumably) beta readers, agent edits, and then publisher edits, and even then a line editor as well. All those hidden decisions you will not be able to learn until you do them.
  • raincole2 hours ago
    > I would’ve thought the necessity of reading in this profession obvious. But I’ve noticed a worrying trend lately: aspiring writers who don’t read.

    I know it's a very bad thing to say out loud, but if even aspiring writers, those who care so much that they go to writing workshops, have stopped reading, it's a very strong signal that writing/publishing won't be a viable profession in the near future anymore.

    • ron_k2 hours ago
      I’m not sure your conclusion necessarily follows from the premise. There are aspiring writers who care about writing and/or publishing, and writers who care about literature. The formers usually are weaker readers. However, most of the readers don’t want to become writers.
  • SunOrbiter14 hours ago
    "To which I say this: fuck you, you’re not too busy." What's with the abuse? Is that the hallmark of a great writer as well? Fuck this, fuck that. Pathetic.

    That said, good advice. Mediocre readers are mediocre writers. The reverse is not necessarily true. I've met many fantasy writers (hello Readercon!) who've read every damn series and then proceed to write yet another Tolkienesque knockoff. Their brains are pretty much like overtrained LLMs.

    • dbtc3 hours ago
      Perhaps what you're getting at is that being a good writer is not all it takes to make a good [art/story/work...], but I'm not unconvinced that reading is the key for the writing part.
    • iainctduncan3 hours ago
      You are quoting him out of context. That was directed at wannabe-writers who don't make time to read. Which is completely fucking batshit crazy. If anyone deserves some f-bombs, it's them.

      Additionally, the very next sentence is "Joking. I would never say that. But I certainly fucking think it."

      • SunOrbiter13 hours ago
        Who exactly is the advice for? For those who don't read, right? In that case, how does abusing them help? There's another golden rule about treating people the way--can't quite recall it, hmmm...

        Casual obscenity has become so normalized in the culture, you probably feel outraged I'm even bringing it up. Not reading has also become normalized in just the same manner. No one reads if they can at all help it-- not at work, not in parks, not on the commute, and not for writing. Their loss, of course.

        • theokrueger2 hours ago
          the author's mildly profane remarks were an amusing expression of the authors voice that characterizes their perspective better than without it.
        • Mawr3 minutes ago
          I'd say excessive prudishness is even more normalized, as you're clearly displaying here. Oh no, somebody said "fuck", my delicate snowflake sensibilities can't take it! How proper you are.
        • iainctduncan2 hours ago
          The article is about writers, not regular people. It's explicitly directed at people trying to make a living writing.

          We found it because of HN, but his audience - the only one's who's opinion he should give a shit about - are his readers, who presumably know him because of his (according to the article) Raymond Chandler-influenced sci fi. I'm willing to bet those people are not put off by some swearing. :-)

          If you are trying to make a living writing you should a) be fucking reading and b) appreciate all the wild and wonderful facets of language.. like using a good cuss word for deliberately over the top emphasis.

    • gmueckl2 hours ago
      Any accomplished writer is keenly aware of the tone of voice they choose. So if they use profanity, assume that it's a deliberate expression. In this case, it's their way of expressing how low they think of the idealized stereotype of aspiring writers that don't read, rather than a particular person. It's very obviously not aimed at any one existing person. If you assume that this is a directed personal attack, then you're misreading the text.
    • popalchemist3 hours ago
      Instant yawn and instant dismissal; I don't want advice from a psychologically stunted man-child.
      • andsoitis3 hours ago
        > Instant yawn and instant dismissal; I don't want advice from a psychologically stunted man-child.

        So you don’t agree with his one golden rule for becoming a better writer?

  • juleiie2 hours ago
    I am not so much a writer but someone who loves how words can paint miniature splinters of reality.

    Operating these little diskettes that load programs straight into the receiver’s brain.

    I feel like Joseph Goebbels of fictional worlds. Writing a code that will smoothly execute delusion - “This is real, this really could happen. I want to see where it goes next.”

    If words are just source code for human brain then I wonder, when using an LLM - do you really program it or does it rather program you?

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