5 pointsby bah92 hours ago6 comments
  • Ocerge14 minutes ago
    I have a CS degree and have been a SWE for 13 years but never really developed a love of coding or software in general, I just happened to learn it and be pretty good at it in 2008. But even I have lost a bit of my identity, having one of the few things I have done most days for a decade+ be commoditized is pretty brutal no matter how I feel about software. For the past few years I've been trying to see where the puck is going (I've been leaning towards moving into management) but at this point I'm just trying to hold on until I reach financial independence. I assume my viewpoint is probably square in the middle of most folks in my position.
  • harryquach32 minutes ago
    I relate to this on a deep level. I have been writing software professionally for 18 years. Programming was the fun part of the job. Solving deep technical problems, digging through docs, etc. All that seems to be gone now. Unfortunately the business does not care about any of the above, all that matters is output. My job pays me for output therefore I have no choice but to embrace the Claude pandemic.

    I wish I had better news, but really just want you to know you are not alone and I empathize with you. I do think there is a cost to pay when using AI to output all of the code. A deep mental model is impossible and this will have downstream impacts. I am hopeful this will settle into a happy middle ground where AI is used but not relied upon.

  • mstaoru36 minutes ago
    I mostly strongly identify with this. Been coding for ~35 years, if you count toy programs on a Spectrum. My world is being completely destroyed. And it's probably normal. I also don't understand TikTok, new Avengers, or queueing for bubble tea. That's why evolution invented death (and renewal).

    One outlet in all this AI craze is finding creative use of it in mundane work. For example, recently I made SIMD-level optimizations for XLS parser that is used maybe 2 times per day. Before AI I could never waste a week or two on doing something silly like that.

    I'm sure the "price reckoning" will come to us when VC will find out they didn't have infinite money, but for now we can have some level of fun even with AI.

  • BrucecarlLan hour ago
    Indeed. Vibe coding is making those of us in tech lose ourselves more and more.

    We used to be obsessed with elegant design and would lose sleep over an optimization. Since vibe coding came along, those days are gone for good. As technologists, we typically feel anxious about losing control over our code. The speed of AI makes it nearly impossible for us to carefully review the code.

    We know AI makes mistakes all the time, and our job has become that of an AI corrector.

  • dofm2 hours ago
    People who never really had these feelings about coding will turn up to tell you that you are wrong to care or that it is childish or silly to care.

    You are not wrong to have your feelings or to strongly identify your sense of self with your work; that is what we used to call “finding your vocation”.

    I share your feelings and have been focusing my energy on learning local and open weights AI to work through it because it seems to be impossible to avoid it all entirely as a freelancer who needs to remain competitive, and a bit of righteous/ethics/sustainable process fire in my belly doesn’t hurt.

    But focusing on how you feel first, and then hopefully thinking about other ways you can feel valuable, is not wrong.

    You are not alone and I wish you the best.

    • bah9an hour ago
      I was actually surprised how few programmers enjoyed the craft. Seems like most of them are happy to "be able to do great things without boring coding"... but gathering information and setting a task is an entirely different profession.

      I'm always curious, what are those "great things" requiring deep technical knowledge and years of expertise that these visionaries can finally provide with the help of LLMs?

      I almost feel ashamed/mentally ill when i am reading how everyone is happy that their true visionnaire potential is finally unlocked while i just like to solve my silly puzzles.

      • dofman hour ago
        Well you have no reason to feel ashamed or mentally ill.

        Everything has, in fact, changed, and it is a task for those of us who cared about what was, to try to work out what is worth caring about.

        As Annie Savoy says in Bull Durham, “the world is made for those who aren’t cursed with self-awareness”. You’re going to have to figure out new things to care about, but you can do it, because you found it the first time!

        • ydatan hour ago
          > You’re going to have to figure out new things to care about, but you can do it, because you found it the first time!

          I have found many interesting things to care about. The problem is they all lack a single quality that allowed me to succeed in the realm of computers and technology: accessibility.

        • bah9an hour ago
          Thanks!

          What did you found for yourself?

          • dofman hour ago
            I am struggling to be honest, but I am learning how to make stuff with CAD and 3D printers and plotting my escape towards teaching (adults), because I have spoken to enough lifelong learners to know that AI is not satisfying important parts of the adult learning process.

            I am reconciling myself to the AI future by learning open weights tools, and I hope to learn how to use that in assistive technology.

            Do you enjoy explaining things?

            • bah944 minutes ago
              Sadly, I am not. But I enjoy manual labor. I am leaning towards construction/electrics. But most likely just wait couple more years and retire with enough money to never work again

              The irony is, my work is to train frontier llm's, so my own "child" killed my lifelong passion

  • anony-1232 hours ago
    Code generated with AI has no worth (i think), even if its a core piece of any system.

    I think the architecture around systems is un-replaceable like what I do now, is I create specs and then asks the agents to cook exactly as the spec.

    What's your AI workflow btw?

    • bah9an hour ago
      All code has no worth, any code can be replicated in a short amount of time. Only ideas is valuable. Not saying it is bad thing, but i enjoyed opensource, and now i don't see any value in supporting my project and contributing to other's. No one care anymore.

      >architecture Give me a reason why agent can't create great architecture when enough context is provided?

      • anony-12335 minutes ago
        Oh yeah, context is the thing. But I believe you need to know what's going-on on architectural level.

        For example If I ask LLM to build an analytics system where, there is soooo much data to ingest and LLM uses postgresql for the DB but we know ClickHouse is the great fit here, given the analytics queries we need. So, then you are right LLM can definitly figure out ClickHouse or something better, If we provide full context of what we want, but getting to know the full system and feeding LLM with the right context is something where we need understanding of the tech-stack atleast in general (might not be specific to the underline language).

        I don't believe LLM can ever build a system from end-to-end reliably.