U.S. preparing to force Netherlands to ban ASML from selling to China(nltimes.nl)

10 pointsby pizzaiolo7 hours ago2 comments

k3105 hours ago
And what if China threatens the Netherlands with nuclear missile attack not to export to the United States?
You know, "Well, if we can't have it, neither can you?"
- mittensc5 hours ago
  The Netherlands asks if China is drunk?
  Note: France/UK still have nukes and the Netherlands can develop its own if it needs any
mittensc6 hours ago
> If the Netherlands refuses to enforce this ban on ASML, the U.S. can impose sanctions.
New sanctions?, existing sanctions?, tariffs?, that threat is a recurring theme and is losing its power since Trump can just impose sanctions if he wakes up in a bad mood.
What happens if ASML/The Netherlands refuses to comply?
The US imposes sanctions and prevents suppliers from selling to ASML?
That would mean ASML in turn starts refusing to sell to the US and maintain equipment used in the US...
Who's losing the most here?, who caves first?
As for the ban... it's for older DUV machines which China can already build themselves.
EUV machines are still banned.
- Jblx26 hours ago
  How much profit would ASML lose to this ban? Maybe they'll get a couple hundred million dollars in annual compensation from the U.S. gov?
  - mittensc6 hours ago
    The bigger worry is China pushing a home grown company to produce the same equipment and provide whatever state resources they need.
    Hard to protect against espionage and hard to compete with a company that has massive state subsidies.
    Easier to just sell them the equipment to prevent this.
    Note: they can already produce DUV equipment, just probably not economically viable (yet)