33 pointsby rafaelc3 hours ago37 comments
  • darth_avocadoan hour ago
    Im not smart (maybe average), but a lot of my unhappiness starts from just having access to information. And then more I process the information, the more unhappy I become. Smarter people than me probably have more information and are able to process it faster, uncovering effects that are not readily perceived by normal folks like myself.
    • inglor_czan hour ago
      While my intelligence is ~ constant, my levels of happiness fluctuated during my life and now, at 48, I am maybe twice as happy as I was at 24. There is definitely an upward trend with me...

      During the same period, I also absorbed a lot of information, including some ghastly one. And yet my overall feeling of well-being improved.

      IDK what happened, I can at best describe it as if "someone slowly changed the lens I am using to view the world for a less cloudy one".

      Maybe some sort of hormonal development. It seems to be outside my will, though. Just happened.

  • Telaneoan hour ago
    Horrors beyond your comprehension are mild compared to the horrors you can understand but cannot fix.
    • pixl97an hour ago
      When you look into the void, the void looks back into you. When you start empirically testing the void, the void says "Hey, what are you doing, stop touching me there".
  • rationalistan hour ago
    Because we're depressed at being surrounded by stupidity.

    Or at least I am; I won't speak for everyone else.

    • slowhadokenan hour ago
      Stupidity in the sense of doing nothing good for themselves or anyone else, yeah. People are mostly a collection of local context clues about overly emotional nonsense.
  • kwanbix12 minutes ago
    I am not the smarter, but I believe that I am smart enough. My problem is that my mind overthinks all the possible scenarios that could happen. For example, now with AI, what happens if the AI replaces all jobs, are we going to all live happy lives doing nothing? or are we going to be all super poor with the top 1% living in closed cities?
  • amatechaan hour ago
    When people talk about being happy (or not), I always wonder -- why does it matter? I don't expect to be happy, and I don't strive towards it. I DO strive towards making my life better in terms of engaging in enriching and rewarding experiences, spending time around people I care about, perhaps trying to ensure future stability to the degree I can, and generally growing as a person. Never do I consider the pursuit of "happiness". Interestingly this seems to kind of correlate with the premise of the post, where a lot of commonly-accepted definitions of "intelligence" often recognize only narrowly-defined scopes of intelligence, but not broad/overall multi-tiered general intelligence that translates to "having a good life".
    • porkpieshoe37 minutes ago
      I think your objection may be to a narrower definition of happiness than what was used in the article. The article's measure is a global life evaluation that would be the product of the activities that you "DO strive towards".
  • alun21 minutes ago
    Obviously a lot of depression is genetic or due to some unfortunate life circumstance. It's got nothing to do with intelligence.

    But what I've also noticed is that a lot of people with unbalanced lifestyles end up becoming depressed.

    For example, they might have a habit of going to bed at weird inconsistent times, wake up late, eat junk food, not regularly exercise or go to the gym, etc.

    Someone with that lifestyle is much more likely to become depressed compared to someone who sleeps 8 hours a night, wakes up at a reasonable time every morning (i.e. 5am - 8am), has a stable job, and exercises regularly.

    Humans are built for routine. Drifting away from that is unnatural.

  • ngriffiths33 minutes ago
    > Over the last generation, we have solved tons of well-defined problems. We eradicated smallpox and polio. We landed on the moon. We built better cars, refrigerators, and televisions. We even got ~15 IQ points smarter! And how did our incredible success make us feel?

    One big outcome of this is being alive more, that doesn't really make you any happier. Also consider stuff like a growing global economy that helps with things like, well, not starting as many global-scale wars that decimate whole cities.

    I also think there is a word for someone who is good at poorly defined problems. "Artist." If you define that very broadly and maybe throw in some religious type roles, community leaders, etc in there too, you have a whole group of people who are dedicating their whole life to this problem. But these are super ancient professions and it's not really surprising that we haven't got amazingly better at them recently. I mean, art from centuries ago is still incredible!

  • dang21 minutes ago
    Related. Others?

    Why aren't smart people happier? - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45824864 - Nov 2025 (622 comments)

    Why aren't smart people happier? - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32409811 - Aug 2022 (494 comments)

    (I left out some small threads that were neither smart nor happy)

  • gregw224 minutes ago
    Ugh. This analysis starts off a little interesting with its observation that "intelligence", as analyzed historically, tends to be about solving bounded-context problems (with a known right answer) rather than open-ended problems (D&D called this "wisdom", right?

    But it is lacking so, so, so much in explaining why smart people aren't happier or evaluating the premises of the question.

    If my teenager gave me this analysis and question, I'd give them 9 more avenues to explore, none of which the article addresses:

    1) Is intelligence Kahneman's "type 1 thinking" or "type 2"? Do people (including you) act on their thinking or their emotions? (Can/do you think smart + act dumb and end up happy?)

    2) What does being happy have to do with having autonomy and control and purpose? (Existentialism)

    3) What does happiness have to do with contentment and the scope of what one wants to control, ie ambition? Attachment? (Buddhism)

    4) What does happiness have to do with one's overall outlook of being pessimistic or optimistic?

    5) Is there some deeper insight why a widespread religious tradition such as the Judeo-Christian one has a creation story where where "knowledge of good and evil" is inherently problematic?

    6) What does happiness have to do with dopamine and the timing or frequency of solving problems of small vs large size?

    7) What degree of problems need to be present for an intelligent problem-solver to be happy vs, say, bored, (example: Marvin the "brain the size of a planet" android in Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, bored and depressed?)

    8) What is the connection between happiness and benevolence, giving vs receiving? Relationships? Why?

    9) Why does a socio-economic system based on money-maxxing intended to obtain happiness lead to oversupply which leads to demand-generation/creation/marketing which leads to unhappiness? And similarly leads to conflict and resulting unhappiness? Is there an inherent ying/yang dynamic to intelligence and happiness on a personal or socioeconomic systems level?

    I do agree with the author that it's a question worth re-evaluating in an age of "Artificial Intelligence" promises.

  • AQuantizedan hour ago
    I think the essay has the implicit assumption that if you're 'better' at doing things, you'll end up happier. Since intelligent people aren't happier, the conclusion becomes that intelligence is mostly only relevant to a subset of well-defined abstract problems that don't represent the real messy problems of life.

    I think the reality of human happiness is that being in better material circumstances, or being better at solving problems practical or not, doesn't necessarily improve long term happiness.

    Adaption to circumstances, the 'hedonic treadmill', means most people aren't going to obtain some very high level of happiness and sustain it indefinitely, regardless of station.

  • ta98819 minutes ago
    We know that intelligence tests and tests in general can be impacted by motivation and potential monetary gains (the article brushes on that). Maybe they can also be impacted by the happiness and other emotional states of the test taker.
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  • BeetleB20 minutes ago
    > Why aren't smart people happier?

    I think any discussion on this topic should begin with answering "Why would one expect smart people to be happier?"

  • cmiles842 minutes ago
    I think it’s a combination of:

    1. “Smart” people tend to constantly see patterns others are missing. So they’re fretting about problems others are blissfully unaware about. Sometimes these “problems” matter and somethings they don’t.

    2. Contrary to popular belief, the smartest people in the room typically despise being the smartest person in the room. They typically are starving for someone to challenge them, to debate them, for them to learn something from others. That lack of stimulation is typically depressing to a “smart” person.

    • dasil00321 minutes ago
      I think these things are true for some people, but I think there's also a sampling bias when it comes to generalizing these things for the broader population of smart people.

      IMHO even just the phrase "smartest person in the room" already frames the conversation in terms of stack ranking and some form of implicit value judgement on being smart, and this in turn opens to the door to all kinds of squishy emotional bias and self-identity issues that go well beyond any objective measure of smartness. In short, I think someone who even thinks in terms of "being the smartest person in the room" is likely to have their ego tied up in the self-perception of being smart, and thus more likely to feel the lack of intellectual stimulation you describe. Whereas I hypothesize there are many equally smart people who do NOT have their ego tied up in being smart, don't see the world this way, and simply don't show up in the data for smart people and their relative level of unhappiness.

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  • clickety_clack33 minutes ago
    Maybe happy smart people know better than to spend all their time taking IQ tests and participating in psychological studies?
    • dismalaf8 minutes ago
      Maybe it's a generational thing but in my country we were given (real) IQ tests during grade school. Wanting to take an IQ test as an adult is questionable...
  • ultrarunneran hour ago
    Intelligence is a slippery term, as plenty of smart folks have made dumb decisions. That said, I’ve noticed that many people who don’t understand why their choices are subpar tend to blame others, i.e. life happens to them. Someone more aware might internalize their failures. Plenty of mutations of this mechanism.
    • opelloan hour ago
      Along this particular axis I prefer to think of intelligence is to wise as smart is to knowledgeable. It may be simply wordsmithing but it provokes empathy.
  • geoka9an hour ago
    Maybe because they are not that smart? :)
  • arbirkan hour ago
    I live by "everything is grey". I am interestingly smart in some niche domains that I have a hard time communicating exists. I also insist on not fitting any template. Pretty dumb, right?
  • snovymgodyman hour ago
    Why should being smart make you happy?
    • slowhadokenan hour ago
      A high IQ allows for a higher quality of life both superficially and meaningfully. This experience is usually weighted down by bullies and vindictive dysfunctional people. Envy is an intense oppressive force.
  • tomComban hour ago
    Because we are depressed by the realization of how stupid we are.

    We aren't optimized for smart, for happy, or for truth - we are optimized for getting our genes into the next generation.

  • ausbahan hour ago
    i’m sure everyone replying to this thread has a level headed and unbiased assessment of themselves
  • sajithdilshanan hour ago
    Smart doesn’t mean they are necessarily emotionally intelligent or mature. Emotionally intelligent people know how to regulate their emotions and not to lose sleep over factors that are out of their control. Everything happening in and around the world is not your problem or concern most people are just unhappy because they focus on negativity
  • londons_explorean hour ago
    Likewise, rich people don't seem to be happier - sampling the few thousand people I have spoken to in my life.
  • 1atticean hour ago
    Speaking only for myself: you can't be tortured by thoughts you're not having, and I, sadly, am having thoughts.
    • konartan hour ago
      Or to put it differently: some people can easily ignore things others can not.
      • TheOtherHobbes4 minutes ago
        More like some people simply don't notice. Or don't care to.

        I sometimes wonder what would happen if the population's average IQ was (the current equivalent of) 130 instead of 100.

        Would things be better? Worse in more complex ways? Both?

    • rationalistan hour ago
      Likewise.

      There's truth to the saying, "ignorance is bliss."

  • t1234s36 minutes ago
    Because junk food and soda tastes good but we are smart an know it will make us fat and dead so we drink water and eat carrots.
  • nemoan hour ago
    Wisdom is where happiness comes from, not intelligence.
  • boricjan hour ago
    Because being smart doesn't mean being wise. Lack of wisdom can fuck up your life far, far worse than lack of intelligence... and I for one am not wise when it comes to people.
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  • slowhadokenan hour ago
    Because we’re social animals and 84% of the population can’t do calculus or understand any meaningful statistics. It makes honest discussion and cooperation with the average person nearly impossible.
    • inglor_cz43 minutes ago
      My secretary is absolutely clueless about maths and yet every interaction with her improves my mood, she is a lovely motherly 50something person who cheers you up every day.

      Her being my colleague definitely makes me happier.

      • sixothree33 minutes ago
        For me it's the lack of curiosity that makes me resentful of people. I can understand completely people are clueless about maths. But having no curiosity about anything seems to be so common in this country right now.
        • Findeton16 minutes ago
          It happens everywhere.
        • inglor_cz12 minutes ago
          It is true that K. is an open and inquisitive person.
  • gmusleraan hour ago
    "Ignorance is bliss" - Cypher
    • slowhadokenan hour ago
      Not if you’re ignorant to what DDT is doing to you.
  • RickJWagneran hour ago
    Lots of reasons, I suspect.

    Smart people are smarter than stupid people, but not that much smarter. They are subject to thinking they’ve got it all figured out, when really they don’t. Warren Buffett spoke several times about this, saying that he’d much rather deal with a person of middling IQ and some humility rather than a person with very high IQ but not as smart as they think.

    Then there are other attributes like discipline. A very smart person with little discipline could easily end up in a worse state than someone with good discipline and less intelligence. Sort of the Forest Gump model, if you like.

    Superior intelligence is absolutely a gift. But not the only kind of gift, and not necessarily the best one. Ask someone like Stephen Hawking.

  • readthenotes138 minutes ago
    Decades ago Gerry Weinberg (and maybe Gauss--i can't recall) went down a similar path and used the word "puzzles" for the ones the author calls "well-defined".

    Knowing a problem is a puzzle helps a lot to replicate a solution.

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  • Finnucane41 minutes ago
    Ignorance is bliss.
  • cucumber3732842an hour ago
    The golden ticket to happiness is having particular aptitude for some skill that there are supply constraints for and make it pay more than it ought to and being dumb as rocks beyond that.
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