39 pointsby peterhajas7 hours ago7 comments
  • ilioscio5 hours ago
    Switched to Zellij a few years back mostly for the sane defaults, I expected to come crawling back to tmux, but it's actually stuck quite nicely and has become a staple in my workflow. It hasn't been a perfect experience, but I like it a lot and I'm happy to see a new feature-rich release like this.
  • Spartan-S632 hours ago
    I'm curious for folks who use multiplexers: I've tried tmux and Zellij and if I used a multiplexer, it would be Zellij. However, I can't stand losing terminal real estate, but I don't know why that is. How do you deal with the loss of real estate from a multiplexer?

    I use Ghostty, so new tabs and splits don't feel that strange to me. I'm guessing the feature I'm missing out on is session resumption and presets? If I leaned into that more, then a multiplexer would be worth the potential drawbacks?

    • roarcheran hour ago
      Zellij has a ton of chrome by default to make it discoverable for new users, but you can configure it so it only takes up one line at the bottom of your screen, like tmux. I like to also hit F11 to go fullscreen, which gets me a few more lines.

      It also supports "layouts" which are similar to `tmuxinator` scripts. You can set up a bunch of tabs and split panes and run commands in each to start up your text editor, agent, git client, etc. The ability to instantly spin up my entire dev environment with everything just where I like it, configurable on a per-project basis, is what keeps me in the console instead of using desktop apps.

    • orbital-decay2 hours ago
      There are separate session persistence daemons you can use instead of a full-fledged multiplexer - dtach, abduco, shpool, zmx, etc.
  • blakeashleyjr28 minutes ago
    Zellij is a breath of fresh air in the terminal and my daily driver for years. Thanks to the team for all their hard work?
  • crossroadsguy40 minutes ago
    Zellij feels like what Jekyll is/was for blogging, at one point, at least the way people were suddenly pursuing it. Not necessarily a bad thing, though.
  • sph5 hours ago
    Being cheeky here, but how many terminal emulators and multiplexers do we need?

    What is driving the Cambrian explosion of CLI tools in the last ~5 years?

    I’ve been using Linux since 2001 and use standard Konsole on zsh. I have a graphical desktop environment to deal with windows and showing pictures alongside them. Is it perhaps because I am an Emacs person that all I need exist within its loving embrace?

    • orbital-decay4 hours ago
      TUI got back into fashion and it seems like everyone is trying hard to reinvent GUI in a really roundabout way, like hacking Braille to display graphs. I think the circle will be complete with the support for proportional fonts for readability, like in Emacs. Character sizing is already (kind of) a thing, which ridiculously enables Markdown rendering in a terminal.

      Man, I really want a proper GUI framework with this kind of energy behind it.

      • sph4 hours ago
        A look at the VT100 standard was enough for me to decide building "modern" GUIs on top of that is truly the definition of madness and bloat.

        Why go through all that effort and leaky abstractions to display GUIs when you can just bitblt pixels from memory to a framebuffer directly?

        • iamnothere2 hours ago
          Aesthetics, running TUI tools headless over SSH, zero possibility of Electron (although I’ve seen TUI tools written in node which is almost as bad), no worries about X/Wayland jankiness.

          Frameworks like bubbletea make it very easy these days.

          I think there’s a limit though, a good TUI shouldn’t be “modern”, it should be like the old TUIs that ran auto shops and accounting systems. TUIs that are information dense, keyboard-driven, and snappy are hard to beat.

          • orbital-decay2 hours ago
            I don't know, I have too many tools that would really benefit from using GUI (e.g. coding agents, process monitors) but are using TUI and are written in TS instead. Everything about TUI screams jank to me, even the old kind. Both internals and presentation. It's less readable, way more limited, just about everything in it is bad, maybe except the ability to mix it with the CLI programs, but it's quite niche and you could do it the other way in the GUI (embed a terminal, like many apps like Zed or Total Commander do). And of course there's absolutely nothing that stops anyone from developing information-dense, keyboard-driven, and snappy GUI apps that run headless.
            • iamnotherean hour ago
              > there's absolutely nothing that stops anyone from developing information-dense, keyboard-driven, and snappy GUI apps that run headless.

              This is true, and yet...

              For some reason GUI seems to attract bloat, excessive margins/padding, and sloppy practices. Maybe it’s just that web views are too tempting to resist.

          • sph2 hours ago
            I figure we can do more "information dense" than 80x25 Unicode characters, or marginally more than that, these days.
            • iamnotherean hour ago
              Set a smaller font on your terminal emulator, done. Good TUI apps are responsive and resize to fill larger spaces.
    • blakeashleyjr27 minutes ago
      Please don't do anything to slow this down. Another TUI or multiplexer doesn't hurt anyone and only serves to bring new ideas to the table.

      I for one have used Zellij every day for years and would struggle to get by without it!

  • _bobm5 hours ago
    What is the purpose of the "zellij" in the top left corner and why isn't there an option to remove it?
    • raindown4 hours ago
      Project outreach, to keep spreading the word through screenshots etc. This is a free projects with no marketing, to the logo is a sort of branding.
    • tveyben4 hours ago
      It’s the (very small) price you pay for a great and free product (I think it’s great!!!). If you don’t like that ‘feature’ you’re not forced to use it ;-)
  • brcmthrowawayan hour ago
    Is there a cheat sheet from tmux to zellij?
    • raindown44 minutes ago
      Zellij has a tmux mode, so you can press ctrl+b and it will have the tmux keybindings. You can also modify the prefix if you need.