60 pointsby bilsbie4 hours ago9 comments
  • NikolaNovak2 hours ago
    These are excellent notes for neurotypical people, particularly those who are extrovert or can mask / fake it without undue cost :)

    Addendum rather than correction - neurodivergent and or introvert behaviour may differ - I'm AuDHD and e.g. "body language breaking rapport" doesn't mean I'm no longer interested and neither does "shifting eyes" -- that's my default behaviour which takes extreme amount of unsustainable energy to break for short targeted periods of time -- if my body language are engaged and I'm looking in your eyes, I'm probably not hearing what you're saying as all my CPU cycles are peak multithreading to control my body :).

    I think the list is like PMP - read, then evaluate customize and implement portions as feasible for your specific situation.

    • b0rtb0rtan hour ago
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      • apsurdan hour ago
        maybe but the person you're replying to went out of their way to qualify their reasoning, and it's quite well reasoned.
  • abhaynayaran hour ago
    Gem of a blog for me personally. This is the rare signal amongst the noise for me on HN. Went through a bunch of his other articles and realized his brain and way of thinking works in a similar way as mine but a bit different and further "ahead" in ways I'd like to be, which is supremely useful and entertaining and satisfying.
  • jbird99an hour ago
    Many tech folks I work with fall into the trap in #31 and try to lecture people too often. From what I've been told, the "professor" style is a typical ASD trait. Very interesting.
  • b0rtb0rtan hour ago
    #3 is my hack, i’ve lived all over the us and can always come up with something to relate to people from different regions
  • niccl2 hours ago
    They mention 'breaking rapport' a few times. I'd really appreciate if someone could explain to an ASD person what that looks like. Genuine question
    • Desafinado2 hours ago
      I take it to mean that non-verbal language like either turning toward or turning away indicates whether the person likes you and wants to be in your presence. If you have a signal that you've built rapport don't screw it up by breaking that trust.
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    • NikolaNovakan hour ago
      #20 indicates "breaking rapport with body language" which I interpreted as looking away, shifty, crossing arms, standing at angle, fidgeting, and other behaviours neurotypicals may construe or indicate as not paying attention. In other bullet points, I think it broadly means non-paralelizing or non-matching behaviour - different energy levels, volume, disagreements, different humour vs seriousness levels, etc.

      See my root-level comment about potentially different behaviour and semantics for neurodivergent :).

    • Fernicia2 hours ago
      I take it to mean upsetting the flow of conversation.

      For example, suppose you're at a party, talking in depth about a football team's season and they say something unrelated like "Oh by the way have you seen John?". It is usually a polite way to try to wrap up a conversation. A polite response would be something that graciously gives them permission to change the subject or leave, for example, "I think I saw him outside, maybe go take a look?".

      Sometimes it takes the form of bored body language and sentences that don't lead the conversation onwards, e.g. "Yeah that's crazy" or "Well, what can you do...". In that scenario I like to give the conversation a respectable death, e.g. "Well, all we can do is hope for a better season in 2027!".

    • rawgabbit2 hours ago
      By rapport, I believe the author means non-verbal cues that the other person is interested.

      Some cues include the person physically squaring up to you front to front instead of being at an angle to you. Another cue could be touching you on the shoulder or forearm. For me the most obvious tell is that they are laughing or giggling.

      Breaking rapport means the other person wants to disengage without offending you. I usually make the excuse I need to take a breather.

    • jareklupinski2 hours ago
      i'll give it a shot: you and i meet and start to talk about the weather, then slowly get to some personal questions, and i mention that i prefer quieter places when talking to people.

      later, when going out with friends, if i ask "where should we go to talk", and you suggest someplace obviously loud and not great for conversation, this could be seen as a mild form of misunderstanding something i communicated previously about a personal preference in a given situation: breaking rapport

    • runamuck2 hours ago
      It means to disagree in a playful, teasing and confident way. You can even take it to an absurd level: "I like your dress except I hate the color blue."
    • pseudosavant2 hours ago
      I interpret 'breaking rapport' as doing something that makes the other person feel less connected to you. For example, bluntly contradicting them, dismissing something they said, teasing them when they are not comfortable with it, looking away while they are talking, or turning your attention to your phone. Anything that shifts the interaction from "we are connecting" to "there is distance between us."
      • phatfishan hour ago
        Less connected is good. Also making the other person feel more awkward or uncomfortable with the interaction.

        I suspect most people desperately trying to hang on to it, except with those they are good friends with. Unless they want out of a conversation. Although i may be projecting here.

  • analog8374an hour ago
    given that there's no way to establish or break rapport on the internet, does that mean we're all rendered as ASD people here?
  • AnthonBerg3 hours ago
    • pseudosavant2 hours ago
      Thanks! The site got hugged to HTTP 500 death.

      This is a great list. I didn't disagree with a single point. Some of those lessons took me far too many years to learn myself.

      • ComputerPerson2 hours ago
        Hard disagree on number 4. Open-ended questions that facilitate conversation are ideal. (They are an art form in themselves.) Since we're being analytical, you need a scaffold for the conversation, and questions are a better way to build it.

        Maybe I’m misinterpreting "early on." I guess their point holds for the first 500 words or so.

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  • VCFundedGenYeran hour ago
    Very neurotypical coded article. Many of these points are rather harsh and invalid.
    • nater500041 minutes ago
      What? I'd really like to know what you mean by both of these sentences.

      >Very neurotypical coded article.

      Does this mean that this article doesn't cater to those who are neurodivergent? It almost seems like this would be most valuable to those who aren't well equipped in social situations, like many neurodivergent people.

      Are you referring to the way it is written? The subject matter? The specific recommendations?

      >Many of these points are rather harsh and invalid.

      I can kind of get invalid (I think it's best to assume each of these requires nuance and aren't universal rules you can blindly follow), but what about any of these are harsh?

    • decimalenoughan hour ago
      Such as?