55 pointsby abdik3 hours ago12 comments
  • maho11 minutes ago
    Which model best allows me to transcribe speech that uses a lot of domain-specific terms? For example, when I say "Claude Code", it often gets transcribed as "Cloud Code", and I have to go back and edit or do a second pass with a traditional LLM (which can introduce additional errors).
  • Tepix27 minutes ago
    Ever since OpenAI launched their improved voice mode, I've been looking for a capable LLM with builtin voice-in and -out. Llama 4 was supposed to be it but turned out to be a dud. I haven't followed the topic closely lately, did I miss anything? Are there capable (!) open weights omni models that allow low latency voice chat? If so, what software do you use them with? Can you use a PWA on your phone? WebRTC? WebTransport?
  • weboan hour ago
    The benchmarks page seems interesting and something I can use to help make an informed decision. Can you talk about how you're measuring some of these? I imagine it needs to involve some human input.

    https://benchmarks.speko.ai/turntaking

  • spmartin823an hour ago
    Does this include a turn taking API? It'd be great to have one API that could do "Conversation in a box". One of the biggest annoyances is daisy chaining many models together for turn taking, dumb models for immediate responses, with smarter models returning and taking over after.
  • cjjuicean hour ago
    I made a completely free 100% on device translation app https://apps.apple.com/us/app/arda-translate/id6778970560 and hard to image a world where TTS and STT will not be done locally in the future
  • bewareofscamsan hour ago
    Seems to be useless, the state of art for all categories is local on-device, voice model vendors are just rent seekers for those who know no better.
    • echelon27 minutes ago
      You're not the customer. This is for people building products that support thousands of users.

      Linux on desktop is great for you, but this is a tool for people delivering solutions.

      • bewareofscams24 minutes ago
        1) what if I told you I can leverage local models and serve thousands of users?

        2) you know nothing about me

        3) of course I am not! I do know better

      • owebmaster11 minutes ago
        > You're not the customer. This is for people building products that support thousands of users.

        That's their dream. Your dream. The AI dream. Many would say it's AI psychosis.

    • sparklingan hour ago
      Just canceled my WisprFlow subscription a few days ago to switch to a open source, free, local alternative. In my case Happy.computer with the Cohere model.
  • MikhailTal2 hours ago
    What is the difference with Livekit Gateway? https://livekit.com/blog/introducing-livekit-inference

    Or even something more managed like Vapi?

    • abdik2 hours ago
      The main difference from gateway is we help with picking the right voice stack, which seems to be a big problem for users: we benchmark the models continuously and route based on those measurements for your language and constraints, and the boards are public at https://benchmarks.speko.ai/

      Second difference is where it runs. Our gateway is open source and runs in your own container, including with self-hosted livekit/pipecat. You get a temporary token before the session starts, and then your orchestration connects directly to the provider.

      Vapi is a managed platform: you use their infra to use the voice AI stack. In our case you can have your own infra and switch between models, so you are not locked into a vendor. A lot of teams we talk to build their own infra as they mature, and that is where the router comes handy.

  • dayvough2 hours ago
    Looks awesome, can't wait to try it for some Filipino workflows when it's available!
    • abdikan hour ago
      thanks! actually, we have the filipino already, can you check out and share your feedback?
  • dhruv30062 hours ago
    the concept is interesting I must say - good luck !
    • abdik2 hours ago
      Thank you!
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  • narrationbox2 hours ago
    > Typical production voice agent is an ensemble of three models: STT, an LLM, and TTS.

    To use a claudism, I would like to push back on this. The industry is very much moving towards one-model-does-all end to end trained similar to LLMs and VLMs. Mostly for latency reasons and partially because the results for the end to end trained models are just so much better than those using three pieces architectures.

    I think most of the value prop is in automatic evals, not routing specifically. A better pitch for you would be "the LM Arena of voice models" rather than comparing yourself to openrouter because the value add is rather questionable. For TTS specifically, the current SOTA for production systems are all using prompt based voice gen i.e. instead of having 10 different Tacotron models trained on 10 different models, these days it's all a single large model and the "style" is a prompt in the system prompt. The input is usually something like

      <System prompt>
      Speak in a deep smooth voice similar to a documentary narrator
      </System prompt>
      <Text to Narrate>
      Speko is the ultimate evaluation platform for voice agents. We do automatic  evals.
      </Text to Narrate>
    
    It's the same for voice cloning too, you just pass the reference speech as an input file for all generations. A lot of systems don't have any separate style vector extraction step or model-specific fine-tuning anymore.

    So something like OpenRouter for voices offer questionable value given that stakeholders usually make this sort of decisions once at the start of the project. On the other hand if you can offer automatic evals and figure out which prompts give the most similar results across different voice providers, that would offer a lot more value. It would be nice to be able to switch from e.g. Grok voice agents to ChatGPT voice agents knowing that the output style won't change too much. There are many companies now with evals as a core business model: LM Arena, Artificial Analysis, Prompt foo (before they got acquired and pivoted to security only) so many take a look at them.

    Source: we have been building TTS systems for over a decade too https://narrationbox.com

    • abdikan hour ago
      Fair pushback. On end to end: we measure those too, same methodology: https://benchmarks.speko.ai/s2s. If the single models win, we route to them the same way, so we do not care which architecture (s2s or cascaded) wins. For now, what we see in production so far is that most teams still want to control each piece: swap the STT for medical vocabulary, keep the LLM, keep the voice.

      On "promptfoo of voice models": that is closer to how it started. At my last company we ran these evals manually, we would even hire native-speaking raters, benchmark, switch if it wins. The evals are the value, agreed. The routing is what makes them actionable: teams told us swapping always looked like an R&D project, so scores alone did not change what ran in production.

      On prompt-based voice gen and reference-audio cloning: agreed, that is what we see too. It makes continuous measurement more important: the same style prompt behaves differently per language and per content type, so we rank the voices themselves, tagged by use case: https://benchmarks.speko.ai/tts-voices

    • vdev123an hour ago
      totally agree with this
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  • greyb2 hours ago
    The link, since it seems to be missing?

    https://speko.ai/

    • abdik2 hours ago
      Yes, i added it. that's the right link.
      • greyban hour ago
        Awesome. Thanks for sharing!