133 pointsby ColinWright4 hours ago12 comments
  • dinkleberg3 hours ago
    I recently discovered that you need to have Siri enabled for Apple CarPlay. I expect we're going to see a lot of this where when you disable the AI functionality the devs won't have put in fallback states and you'll be effectively locked out. With CarPlay for instance there is no reason that I shouldn't be able to listen to my music or use the map without Siri. But things like responding to texts does rely on Siri, so just gate that piece. It is rather unfortunate.
    • fl0id5 minutes ago
      Is this maybe dependent on country? I have used carplay, and don't have siri enabled.
    • goalieca3 hours ago
      I was very upset about this. I had a rental car and I needed to enter on the map where I wanted to go. Even with a damn keyboard it wanted Siri. It’s just gps and i had to dig my phone out and do the typing there instead.
    • semiquaver2 hours ago
      Apple considers siri essential for CarPlay and I don’t really disagree. Don’t forget that a big part of the design of CarPlay tries to explicitly discourage tactile use while driving, with siri as the alternative input/output method.
      • delectian hour ago
        I start my music and navigation route before leaving my garage, and any other interactions (volume up/down, skip song) are buttons on my steering wheel. What do I need voice input for?

        (I use Android Auto, but it's basically the same thing for these purposes)

      • mejutoco10 minutes ago
        And Google considers necessary to report (using tactile use while driving) if there are blockages in the road, construction, lane closures, an accident, etc.

        The discrepancy of using both with an iphone is disconcerting.

      • cryzingeran hour ago
        Interestingly, I have Google Assistant more or less disabled on my Android phone, but it still works when I have Android Auto enabled (which is fine by me since that's the one time that I ever want to use it).
        • netsharcan hour ago
          I got the email that they're burying Assistant in September...

          I use it on the phone to set alarms, add tasks or calendar events, I swipe up on the home screen to launch the app, and talk. For calendar, speech ("add calendar event dentist appointment on September 22 at 4pm") is even much more convenient than scrolling to the right month/date, using the UI to pick the time.

          I'm currently vibe-coding a replacement app to use on-device speech recognition and setting alarms or adding calendar events. Sadly third party apps can't add stuff to Google Tasks without further interaction (or without OAuth) like Assistant/Gemini can.

        • deepsun23 minutes ago
          Moreover, you cannot turn off Auto, as it will forcefully turn on WiFi even if you explicitly disable it.
      • skinfaxian hour ago
        Would be interesting to see anti competition law applied here, too. Essentially bundling the two together, leveraging the market for car play to gain adoption for Siri.
      • dataflowan hour ago
        Is every utilization of CarPlay inside a car performed "while driving"?
    • john_strinlaian hour ago
      i feel relatively comfortable with carply + basic siri, leaving apple intelligence off. basic siri is pretty limited in scope of what it has access to and what it can do.

      while it's an arbitrary line ive drawn, basic siri doesn't feel like "ai" in the same sense as context-aware assistants do for me.

      • mrtesthahan hour ago
        I’ve never once been able to use CarPlay because I objected to Siri uploading information about my contacts list unencrypted to Apple’s servers.
        • john_strinlaian hour ago
          it's a bit more nuanced than you are making it out to be, but that's absolutely a fine and understandable choice to make.
    • JackFran hour ago
      I used CarPlay yesterday with Siri disabled. Am I missing something?
    • mark_l_watson2 hours ago
      On our car I can hook up my iPhone via Bluetooth to listen to audio books and music, bypassing carplay.
    • fragmedean hour ago
      With Apple intelligence turned on, when I take a screenshot on my iPhone, it wants me to do this search that goes to temu, instead of the text selection that it used to do. So I turned it off, but I have to turn it back on to have auto translation in iMessage.
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    • sublinear3 hours ago
      Fallback states are generally a ton of work that don't benefit the direction that the PM or broader business would want to go anyway.

      It's a pet peeve of mine that we often say "devs" when we really mean "the business". It seems to be gamers who started this language. They'll even call the publisher "the devs".

      • encom28 minutes ago
        A developer made whatever tech is currently pissing me off. I don't care about the supply chain.
  • rad-b3 hours ago
    Such a cool guide to such a bizarre problem we live in…

    Companies forcing features that nobody wants, but that are also expensive to operate and cost real money to run? Market can definitely stay irrational for long.

    • freeone30003 hours ago
      Nobody using it is actually the ideal outcome. AI features are added, at no additional cost to the consumer, to extract money from investors. If customers began using the product, this feature would actually start having an ongoing cost.
      • michaelt9 minutes ago
        I suspect it's also a defensive move.

        Imagine you make a widely hated product targeted at huge corporations. Workday, Jira, Oracle Financials, anything like that.

        Then you find that all your users are using ChatGPT to automate their interactions with your product. Instead of your product being crucial to your customers' business and almost impossible to replace, it's turning into a dumb pipe connecting LLMs - and looking very much threatened.

        After all, data lock-in is a core part of your business strategy.

        Getting people to use your AI tool, though? That makes your product stickier, and lets you charge more too.

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      • marginalia_nu2 hours ago
        Thing with investor money is that after a while the investors start asking where their dividends are at. If you put all that money toward building features nobody asked for, you're in for a rough time.
        • Nextgridan hour ago
          > after a while the investors start asking where their dividends are at

          By then, a new fad will come in and you can just pivot to it.

          We went from "engagement" (with no concrete plans to monetize said engagement), through a brief period of "blockchain" and now finally AI.

        • freeone3000an hour ago
          Woe betide the company cursed with smart investors
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    • uhohherewegoaga36 minutes ago
      we’ve reached the stage of market consolidation where corporations dictate consumer behavior, not vice versa
    • bluefirebrand3 hours ago
      I really do wonder if the market is being irrational or if we just cannot see what they are

      I suspect that many people dislike AI but are begrudgingly using it. I would put money very few people are completely avoiding it. It's very hard to avoid now anyways.

      Maybe the AI company strategy is really just "make it so invasive in life it's so difficult to avoid and expensive enough to revert that companies and governments will never go back anyways"

      • graceful6800an hour ago
        Nobody, absolutely nobody wants or likes overlapping rainbow animated "ask AI" buttons plastered over every available inch of screen space. Nobody wants or likes useful features being removed and replaced with colorful bouncing "ask AI" buttons.
        • doug_durhaman hour ago
          You can't say that. Also that isn't happening.
    • Legend24402 hours ago
      Many people do like AI tools and use them regularly. ChatGPT has nearly a billion weekly active users.

      It's just that another group of people absolutely hates the idea of AI and wants it to go away.

      • skinfaxian hour ago
        How many people prefer having an AI gate customer support, for instance? I don't think we are talking about two groups here.
      • gumby271an hour ago
        I think people like AI tools when it's their choice to engage with them and they set the terms. I have a good experience with Claude largely because I choose when to use it and when I don't care about it's existence, its gone. But the stupid glowing, animated, overlapping Copilot button in Word is the dumbest thing imaginable. I don't want it, and I cant stop being reminded of it.

        The simple distinction of pro vs anti ai isn't the root cause, its about individual control and choice which can span both of those stances.

    • doug_durhaman hour ago
      This whole "nobody wants" narrative is getting tiresome. It is provably false, and is just a rhetorical tool.
      • mrtesthahan hour ago
        Prove that they do want them, then.

        If I personally wanted to use generative AI, I’d query an agent app on my computer or load ChatGPT in a browser. I wouldn’t want my email client proactively spewing random words into the text area on its own. And I certainly don’t want every bit of information on my screen continuously streamed to a corporate cloud server so that I can ultimately be profiled and surveilled.

  • dceddiaan hour ago
    Recently bothered by the Amazon Alexa for Shopping thing that slides out constantly and can’t be turned off, I found this Chrome extension.

    https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/adios-alexa-for-sho...

  • happosai2 hours ago
    Unfortunately doesn't tell me how make Rovo go away.
    • stephantulan hour ago
      My heart bleeds for Rovo’s product managers. They must also see that nobody actually wants or needs or even likes Rovo.
      • watwutan hour ago
        The cloud jira is such a downgrade overall. You cant have reasonable markdown or date format, but have AI "make longer" torture button. And deceiving "improve description" AI button which just ... makes it pointlessly longer.
        • apercu16 minutes ago
          It's a dumpster fire now like everything else (Quickbooks... ugh, I'm migrating off at the end of my fiscal year).
  • geekamongusan hour ago
    On Mac, you can use https://wairy.app (full disclosure, I made this) to check what you have given AI perms to do on your computer (knowingly or not), then revoke them.
  • netsharcan hour ago
    Hah, the app to view the file format that simulates paper documents has AI now... (PDF/Adobe Reader).
  • nemomarx3 hours ago
    Anyone know a good way to disable the ai summary on Google results? I know I should move over to kagi, but a ublock filter or something would still be nice.
    • jdub3 hours ago
      Add `udm=14` to the Google search query string... e.g. I changed my browser's default search engine shortcut.
    • apazzolini2 hours ago
      `google.com##.hdzaWe` blocks the AI summary. This is better than udm=14 because it doesn't suppress the other sometimes-useful non-AI Google answer blocks.
    • IsTom3 hours ago
      For single queries adding `-fuck` works.
    • JackSlateuran hour ago
      Switched to Qwant because of that .. (corporate laptop does not allow changing the search engine urls, only changing the engine itself)

      Honestly ? Not a stressy move, the major things that changes is that the IA bullshit is gone

    • WolfeReaderan hour ago
      Use a different search engine such as Ecosia or noai.duckduckgo.com
    • josefritzishere3 hours ago
      I have found that Element Hider and similar extensions will also block some of the worst features in the browser.
  • mark_l_watson2 hours ago
    Good list! Removing as much as possible all AI and surveillance features, then carefully adding back the very few I want is the way I roll.
    • Isamuan hour ago
      So the next iteration of surveillance features is to silently double down on users that turn off surveillance, because why would they do that unless they have something to hide? Better flag this user for extra super-secret surveillance and an immediate notification to authorities.
  • cryo323 hours ago
    The trick I use is to immediately go "fuck it I'm not using that product"

    I'm remarkably free of any intrusive AI.

    • encom19 minutes ago
      This. Debian+KDE. No AI and nothing happens on my computer that I don't know about.
  • soupspaces39 minutes ago
    So, like closing intrusive popups before and blockers, then.
  • latexran hour ago
    It would be nice to have this accessible in a repo, so we could track changes and submit corrections/new sources.
  • josefritzishere3 hours ago
    It's a sad state of affairs when companies are cramming this unwanted garbage into every app putting the onus on the user to block, disable, unsubscribe, delete, edit and mitigate. Nobody asked for AI slop.