24 pointsby gradus_ad7 hours ago8 comments
  • scheme2716 hours ago
    Wasn't there just a post a few days ago about how Chinese researchers ignored a bunch of ethical and safety guidelines to run some of this research and ended up killing a girl?

    The article just brushes aside that incident and seems to assume that because China is doing this experimentation, it's ahead in regards to gene therapy targeting the brain.

    • HedonicEscal8r4 hours ago
      "Multiple controlled trials" is quite different from an under-the-table, privately funded bespoke therapy for a single patient.
    • fakedang6 hours ago
      The article mentions that incident and links to it too.
  • tiahura5 hours ago
    How absurd to think that covid was a gof leak.
  • superkuh6 hours ago
    This headline is burying the lede. My response to someone using genetically altered retroviruses to genetically engineer cells in the CNS of living humans would be stunned silence too. That's quite a risk to get past a review board.

    The big question seems to be, how specific is the targeting of these designer retroviruses to the desired cell types and tissues and how is that achieved?

  • mjevans6 hours ago
    For all the theories about how covid might have been some conspiracy in China... (I'm more inclined to believe a hybrid, they didn't have a program to develop any weapons out of it, but would EASILY buy a coverup to try to hide the shame of yet another seasonal virus that turned out to be more)

    What if this sort of research leads to some prion like disease that either works like a slow acting (fast to spread) neuro-toxin, or a scenario like the Children of Men movie?

    Containment and risks need to be considered.

    • SoftTalker5 hours ago
      Another possible answer to the Fermi paradox.
  • bix66 hours ago
    Really tired of hearing how much better China is than us. It’s just so demoralizing like what is going on…
    • snapplebobapple3 hours ago
      We got too cautious. They may be too incautious but possibly not given how excessively cautious we are. Caution is good but it needs to be accurately costed and where it cant be we need to error on the side of incaution because the cost of caution is often atleast as high as the cost of incaution
    • forestrywat5 hours ago
      We could, like, stop framing it as us vs them to start. We could also elect leaders who want progress and are willing to squeeze the 1% even a little bit to make that progress.

      China is taking long term views. Transit and rail, solar energy, batteries, manufacturing and automation, science investment.

      The US is thinking very short term, to benefit very few. Ignoring rail, cutting renewables, building highly speculative and unpopular data centers, and cutting funding to science and the arts.

      I see the 30 year vision for infrastructure in China and I think we could do it here. We just... don't. Because we have somehow made long term investments that benefit many a political dead end so our two "teams" can argue about how the other team is evil.

      • virgil_disgr4ce5 hours ago
        China is an authoritarian regime that brutally punishes dissidents. Just throwing this out there because apparently everyone seems to have forgotten this.
        • maxglute4 hours ago
          PRC slapping fraction of % dissidents is magnitude more benevolent than US incarceration complex. Authoritarian system that delivers is better than sclerotic "democracy" that doesn't. Just throwing this out there because apparently LIO ideologues never seem to learn this.
          • _DeadFred_an hour ago
            What? Tiananmen Square was not more benevolent. When I worked in the bay area we had a ton of Chinese Americans who happened to be college students when Tiananmen happened who then stayed instead of going home. Do you people no longer work with them? Never talk to them? What is going on.

            Also

            https://www.google.com/search?q=china+execution+van

            is pure dystipia.

        • krapp4 hours ago
          The US is not a moral agent - it counts authoritarian regimes that brutally punish dissidents among its closest allies.
        • forestrywat5 hours ago
          So is the US, to be honest.
          • isatty5 hours ago
            Not even close to the same level as China.

            What’s up with whitewashing China on all online platforms these days? You, on hacker news, should know better.

            • forestrywat4 hours ago
              There are people being arrested for being in Signal chats where non violent protests are being discussed. People being arrested for carrying water bottles. ICE is shooting people who are not even in the way, just making noise across the street. Rubio called the DSA a terrorist organization.

              And second, I don't think I said "at the same level as China". It can be the case that both countries are authoritarian and punishing dissidents. And still be the case that China is worse.

            • bothers5 hours ago
              > Not even close to the same level as China.

              Have you been paying attention? At all?

              The US is really trying to cut off its own legs and branding it as removing unnecessary weight. Give it time, we'll get there.

            • virgil_disgr4ce5 hours ago
              Yeah I'm wondering the same thing. It's bizarre and unsettling and seems off-brand for HN.
      • pudgywalsh5 hours ago
        It's easy to build railroads when you have no safety rules or oversight and can force the Uyghurs to build the parts in slave camps.
      • eli_gottlieb5 hours ago
        You're going to get a lot of angry responses about how China can only accomplish what it does because it's an authoritarian regime and very bad, but you're actually correct. Historically, authoritarian countries are held back by their regimes, which means China is likely underperforming what it could accomplish if Xi Jinping Conservative Boomer Thought with Chinese Characteristics wasn't strangling everything.

        The United States very much started trying to invest seriously for the future in the Biden years, and as it turns out, people associated that with consumer inflation and chucked it out in 2024 for another round of the Republican "wrecking crew" dismantling and demolishing the federal agencies that the USA has historically used to Get Stuff Done in the long term.

        At this point it's hard to point to a major country or bloc that isn't shooting itself in the foot.

        • forestrywat4 hours ago
          Oh you'll get no support for me about Biden. Shutting down rail strikes and declaring Covid over very clearly put him in the "protect the owners, not the people" camp.
          • esseph3 hours ago
            > Shutting down rail strikes

            Congress, but President signed. And it was broadly bipartisan!

            The House voted 290–137, and the Senate voted 80–15 to pass the measure, which was then signed into law.

            The entire US government looked at working people and said, basically: "No, you are not allowed to take time off work for cancer treatments".

            • forestrywatan hour ago
              Gotta get our Christmas treats or else.
    • pudgywalsh6 hours ago
      If this were the US, you'd be claiming this recklessness is what happens when you fire all the oversight at the FDA.

      Fortunately for China they have the luxury of killing people, pretending it never happened, and replacing them from its never-ending pipeline.

      • econ6 hours ago
        Your use of "Printing" before the edit had me wonder. Rapidly growing population under a one child policy? Comparable to India? How?
        • pudgywalsh6 hours ago
          HN readers often struggle to overlook minor effectual literary details but miss the bottom line:

          China's population is sufficient that no one will notice a few scientists missing. Definitely not beyond their borders. They'll make sure of it.

          If this experiment was unsuccessful we'd never know about it and everyone involved would be incinerated.

          I don't think you could pull that off in India, population or not. For all their corruption I want to believe they frown on disappearing people if anything for religious reasons.

          • GPerson5 hours ago
            Don’t you think it hurts your case to exaggerate that China is going around incinerating scientists?
            • pudgywalsh5 hours ago
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              • GPerson5 hours ago
                Prove to me there’s no tea-cup in outer space orbiting the sun.
    • dudisubekti5 hours ago
      > demoralizing

      Why? China could do their own thing, and your country can do yours.

      • forestrywat5 hours ago
        The US is clearly on a path to crumbling infrastructure, waste, inefficiency, and corruption. Seeing that other countries seem to be doing some actual thinking about the future is demoralizing when you cannot get your leaders to care.
        • bdangubic5 hours ago
          elect people that care
          • forestrywat5 hours ago
            I do. Turns out that's not enough. My house rep very clearly cares about these. My senators too (mostly).
          • oblio5 hours ago
            Their democratic system is completely broken at the moment.

            1. Fixed number of Senate spots, regardless of State population.

            2. First past the post voting everywhere leading to 2 party system.

            3. Broken electoral college voting system for presidential elections.

            4. Legalized gerrymandering.

            5. Legalized bribes, sorry lobbying.

            Their democratic system is stuck in the 1870s and they can't reform it. And on top of that they have outsized corporate political power.

            It's really hard even for masses of determined inviduals to reform anything.

            • pudgywalsh5 hours ago
              I don't think you understand anything about how the American government works.
              • Hikikomori2 hours ago
                You might not like it but he's not wrong.
              • oblio3 hours ago
                I've read and seen more about it than I should have, as a non-American that's never going to live in the US. Press cycles in smaller countries are inundated with US news.

                There is probably a lot I don't know so please ask and I'll do my best to explain my knowledge on the topic to the best of my abilities.

              • bdangubic3 hours ago
                enlighten us please, been awhile since I’ve taken Gov course at the Uni
                • pudgywalsh2 hours ago
                  Start with the first complaint, the Senate seats being fixed, which blatantly ignores:

                  1. This was done intentionally, with great care, by people far smarter than a ragebait post on HN

                  2. There are two houses of Congress (the second of which is allocated by population).

                  3. It was done for balance of power

                  4. The EU has literally emulated this model (see European Commission allocating one per member state).

                  5. Imagine if Germany was allowed to overrule every law and decision in EU because of population alone. EU would cease to exist.

    • phs318u2 hours ago
      As a non-USian but a fan of your republic’s ideals, I understand. I feel incredibly saddened at the slow-motion self-immolation that seems to be consuming your country. I read this article yesterday and couldn’t believe what I was reading. I had to double check it wasn’t a gag.

      https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-08-14/donald-trump-us-navy-...

      It’s not necessarily that China is “better”, but they clearly have an intentionality to the directions they are pursuing. Sadly, it seems so does the US.

    • dyauspitr5 hours ago
      They’re going to run away with it. We have true regressives in power at this point staunchly defending fossil fuels and diminishing the main advantage the US had with attracting the best and brightest from all over the world. This was the worst possible to have MAGA take over.

      That being said, I would still definitely want to live in the US compared to China.

    • dave_sid5 hours ago
      Donald?
    • EA-31676 hours ago
      A good way to cut through competing accounts and noise to find "where do people want to live more?" is to look at net migration flows.
      • Daishiman6 hours ago
        Migration flows are lagging indicators. Look at where researchers are moving, that's the leading indicator.
        • EA-31676 hours ago
          What makes researchers in general a leading indicator?
          • Daishiman5 hours ago
            Countries that are on an upward research trajectory are likely to continue high-tech industrial progress.
            • EA-31675 hours ago
              That's a general observation/opinion, not evidence that it's a leading indicator of anything. There are far less indirect measures of "high-tech industrial progress" as well.
              • Daishiman5 hours ago
                You think the fact that US researchers are leaving for China because the US does not value basic science anymore but China does is not evidence of anything?
                • EA-31674 hours ago
                  I think the US under the Trump administration is making a series of errors that do have consequences. I also believe that some researchers and academicians have sought positions in Chinese universities, although the numbers suggest a majority looked to Europe rather than Asia. Very few that I can find hard info on have emigrated however, much like it would be foolish of me to claim that 300K Chinese students in the US per year were migrating here to stay; we both know they're just visiting.

                  I also have to say that in trying to find hard numbers for any of this I was struck by how little is available beyond early claims in late 2025, plans to "welcome" US scientists in various countries, and other projects that haven't been extensively reported on since. If you can find better hard data on the topic I'd welcome it.

      • cyanydeez6 hours ago
        So scientists are all leaving for europe and billionaires are all moving to texas and ... is this what you mean?
        • EA-31676 hours ago
          All of the scientists! Oh my.

          No I didn't mean anything quite that fanciful, I'm referring to net migration between China and the US. Are more people leaving the US for China, or are more people leaving China for the US? It's a crude measurement, but it beats online doomerism.

          • cyanydeez6 hours ago
            China is working to do this: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-03657-6

            They are definitely getting immigrants: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_China

            High quality scientists leaving UK and US: https://www.nationpress.com/sciencetech/10-scientists-quit-u...

            You'll need to clarify what you value about the immigration arguement.

            • EA-31676 hours ago
              I've already been very clear, you simply seem unable or unwilling to read the word "net" in my posts. I appreciate that China is doing many exciting things and happily unlike many in both China and the US I don't see human progress as a zero sum game either. None of that changes what I said however, or the reality of net migration between China and the US.
              • cyanydeez5 hours ago
                yes, ok, net, so what you care about is poor people coming to america; as oppose to smart people leaving it.

                That's what's confusing. Right, your pov is about body count as opposed to any other useful metric. You want to change it? Are you being racist or what.

                What exactly is the argument "a bunch of poor people want to come here, even when we're giant fascists, #winning"

                See, I don't know if you're actually making an argument from the absurd, but if you're trying to win the America is actually desireable, you might want to gauge what exactly is being desired.

    • anon2915 hours ago
      I mean it's not a direct competition. America excels in many regards and China excels in many regards.
    • vardalab5 hours ago
      Yes, but we still have a leed in freedom according to the lore from our fearless leadership.
    • bothers5 hours ago
      >like what is going on…

      USGOV disemboweled itself, telling its citizens that they'd be better off without all those gross innards. Womp womp, no do-overs on the global stage, sorry.

    • mrtksn5 hours ago
      You can seek comfort by looking at some GDP numbers and compare GDP numbers and AI benchmarks with EU I guess :)

      Kidding aside, it is very normal for a huge populous country to dominate once they get their shit together. Europeans mostly made peace with the fact that they no longer have empires, Turks and Brits a bit less so I guess but you will be fine. US is a great country, expect China be greater simply because of its sheer size.

      Time to make peace with the fact that the exceptional situation was a phase, not an inherent result of the superiority of the people.

      • oblio5 hours ago
        To add to that. Those magical 50s and 60s?

        Basically the entire industrial base in Eurasia had been destroyed during WW2. Unsurprisingly the only unscathed industrialized country in the world entered an unprecedented boom. Assuming that everyone else would revert to the Stone Age forever was unrealistic.

        • mrtksn5 hours ago
          Exactly. All the best scientists, engineers and ambitious people went to USA and entire industrial bases were uprooted and moved to USA. US did the Marshal plan but all this happen because the rest of the world was busy destroying each other. Now USA destroys itself, EU trying to find its soul and unite at the same time. China? China is reaping the rewards of its decades of hard work.

          Honestly, apart from big ego guys who make things hard, I think the world is actually set to a new united phase. The issues are %100 local, apart from climate change I guess.

  • whozdat5 hours ago
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    • dyauspitr5 hours ago
      China literally is committing a slow genocide with the Uighurs. They put all their men in jail and assigned all their women to Han Chinese men. This is happening right now.
  • dyauspitr5 hours ago
    Good. Let’s get a move on on these things. If people die it’s no big deal if they volunteer for it and know the risks before they sign up for it.
    • jancsika5 hours ago
      > If people die it’s no big deal if they volunteer for it and know the risks before they sign up for it.

      Similarly, letting pilots skip the security check is no big deal. Just check the id_hash of their _pilot_struct against the ids in the day's flight manifest for the current frame being evaluated in the fully verified Rust-based simulation of reality.

      If people are really that worried about "exploits" they're free to set a save point before arriving to the airport that morning.

      Edit: important clarification wrt the fully verified Rust-based simulation of reality.