What's New in Flutter 3.47(flutter.dev)
42 pointsby gumby2712 hours ago7 comments
  • Humphrey15 minutes ago
    Oh finally multi-window support - I might finally be able to flutter for a simple desktop app side project I've been wanting to build.
  • synergy2012 minutes ago
    great for mobile apps, fine for desktops, basically unusable for browsers unless you do wasm, if web can be revamped/improved it can be the best option for cross platform GUI
  • Aldo_MXan hour ago
    Decoupling material and cupertino makes a lot of sense.
    • gman83an hour ago
      Yes, hopefully now that this decoupling is complete, they'll actually start being updated again. The progress was a bit stalled while this process was ongoing.
  • Scene_Cast244 minutes ago
    Awesome. I'd love if Flutter could also finally get Impeller on Web (I'm tracking the GitHub issues, seems like there's progress at least).

    I personally would like for it to pick up some ideas from Svelte.

  • kumarvvran hour ago
    The one thing I hate about flutter is the ui code having an ungodly amount of nested brackets.
    • superzean hour ago
      Loc goes brrrrrrr. The tokenmaxxing of the 20s
    • eddythompson80an hour ago
      You clearly need more Lispmaxxing
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  • jimbob452 hours ago
    Of all the myriad projects from Google, how is Flutter/Dart the one that survived the axe? I’m not saying I hate them - I think they’re both really neat - I just don’t understand why Google keeps these limping along with weak support and no clear vision within their broader web ecosystem.
    • vmg12an hour ago
      Easy, there are a few google teams that use flutter and the cost savings from not having to have dedicated ios and android teams is very easy to point at to justify the project's existence.

      I think Dart and Flutter are very overlooked. The language has completely changed since its release, its statically typed, has null safety, enums, and pattern matching, and is very simple and easy to read. It has fast compilation and a ui framework with hot reload. It's as fast as Js on v8 while using less memory and has the overlooked feature of having very fast, almost 0 overhead, ffi.

      I think the importance of good ffi is underrated for these ui languages. For reference, everyone that's using electron has to run two node processes doing ipc over a websocket connection. That's going to waste an absurd number of cpu cycles and memory when you are passing messages around when your app is basically a ui for a cli.

      • Larrikinan hour ago
        But they also fund JetBrains, Jetpack Compose, and KMP. It feels like the company threw their support behind Kotlin a long while ago on mobile, but internal struggles keep the others limping along. Compose UI tooling no longer requires viewing on device.
        • invalidname5 minutes ago
          You're thinking of Google as a single top down company. It isn't. Think of it as an anarchy of warlords where each pulls the strings and management doesn't really know what's going on.

          Flutter made a lot of sense during the Oracle lawsuit when Google needed a way to show Oracle that it can pivot from Java. Now it no longer makes sense but the inertia is too deep.

          My guess is that flutter is sold internally through the Huawei support as a leg within China.

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      • cagefacean hour ago
        I’ve had good experiences with Flutter too. It’s actually much easier to build a performant macOS app with flutter than with SwiftUI.
      • formvoltronan hour ago
        Curious how you feel about KMP and Kotlin Compose.
        • vmg12an hour ago
          I like kotlin a lot but I didn't get to fully test KMP and Kotlin Compose. I chose flutter because I liked dart's wasm story better than kotlins.
    • gumby271an hour ago
      How are they limping? Flutter has completely replaced it's rendering engine across all platforms and they're building out major window management support on desktop platforms.

      At some point there's just not much exciting new stuff to add. Flutter is a nice stable platform, I'd highly recommend it.

      • kllrnohj35 minutes ago
        > Flutter has completely replaced it's rendering engine across all platforms

        And that new rendering engine is also why apps like Immich are unable to show HDR photos. Apple & Google both pushed broad support for that a couple years ago, with things like Ultra HDR and subsequently ISO 21496-1.

        Meanwhile Flutter still doesn't really have wide gamut support https://github.com/flutter/flutter/issues/189155

        Of course they need to prioritize where to spend resources, like any project, but Flutter also doesn't seem to be on any critical path for fancy headlining new features, either.

      • matchbok3an hour ago
        Right, but, nobody uses it. So what's the point for Google?
        • gkhartmanan hour ago
          Is that true though? I'm reading HN on an app built using Flutter. I had no idea until recently, so I would assume more apps could use it without my knowledge.

          I understand it's limitations vs native apps, but there's quite a few cases where it really doesn't matter.

          The biggest one for me is always the fear it will be abandoned. Pretty much goes for any cross platform app framework though.

        • vips7L34 minutes ago
          The creator of flutter was on here saying that 1/3 of all apps on the App Store use it. That seems to be a lot more than “nobody”.
        • monocasa41 minutes ago
          Google AdSense uses it.
    • monocasaan hour ago
      Google internally uses dart, and I remember hearing that adwords in particular was rewritten in dart at least for the frontend relatively recently.

      So they're probably investing in it enough for basic maintenance, but don't really care about evolving the language.

    • deepsunan hour ago
      Most Google's projects that users loved were axed for a reason, typically internal management wars for promotions. Like YouTube really wanted to kill belowed Google Music, so they did. Or Google Pay vs Google Wallet.

      Killing Flutter would not promote a manager. For now, of course.

    • Scene_Cast2an hour ago
      In one of their dev surveys, they did float the idea of divesting Flutter.
    • gman83an hour ago
      I guess because they have buy-in from within Google? Google Pay, NotebookLM, Family Link, Google One, etc. are made with Flutter.
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