Are there any projects that track how much usage of each model translates to how much percentage drop in weekly/5hr windows?

That is not true; GPT is the most reasoning efficient model family on the market.

I believe it's one of the models you have to go in to your settings on and enable Chinese providers for to use. Could be mistaken. I wish there was a clear list on this.

What’s the multiplier? GH copilot nerfed their product so badly that I unsubscribed.

I've found Fable 5 to be so much better than 4.8.

For building a full stack custom CRM and media pipeline tool with video conversion, transcription, and indexing. Supabase, AWS, Meili, NextJS, GCS - lots of surfaces and planes.

4.8 basically couldn't do it, I abandoned the project as the fallback was, "current business processes".

With F5 it's been 4 weeks and almost ready for production release.

I'd be the first model I'd reach for if I was providing a free service to AI gooners though. Serves them both right.

None of that has anything to do with the model - your issues are all with the harness/app you used...

Grok doesn’t have those features, and people who like to make adult content have been complaining for a while how Grok has made it a lot harder to do so.

From Matt Levine's description, SpaceX has a governance model that explicitly makes it resistant to shareholder lawsuits. It's not a Delaware corporation.

It might or might not work long-term, but I wouldn't count on courts to help.

True story, for example take Tesla's promise of self driving which was delivered back in 2015.

SpaceX is run by an absolute ghoul who managed to get away with securities fraud ("funding secured"), what makes you think there's any accountability left in public markets?

This statement doesn't go far enough given Elon's direct and hands-on involvement with DOGE and the 2024 elections. Very few of the richest people of the world are personally entangled in meddling with government agencies directly, for example.

> Elon was just far more public about it and it was covered much more.

Most importantly, he simply backed the “wrong” side for most of the people who bring this up.

> MADISON, Wis. (AP) — Billionaire Elon Musk likely broke Wisconsin law when he promised to hand out $1 million checks to voters in the 2025 state Supreme Court election, a bipartisan panel has found.

> The Wisconsin Elections Commission last week referred two complaints to the Brown County district attorney’s office, which can choose to bring criminal charges over violating the state law against election bribery. Prosecutors have 40 days to report back to the commission.

https://apnews.com/article/elon-musk-wisconsin-election-mill...

Elon Musk has actively endorsed the right wing extremist party in Germany.

The one that often has trouble running it's events as businesses try to avoid serving them. And which has prominent members that the secret service considers definitely fascist.

Musk has gone a long way beyond simply being the standard rich person lobbying for their own interests, and has moved into actively promoting people that are trying to tear down liberal democracy.

There's a big difference between quiet donations to a PAC - not that that's good either - and what Elon did. He literally paid for votes, likely in violation of the law. He poured more money into U.S. elections than anyone has before. He and Trump both made strange, cryptic statements about Elon's role in Pennsylvania with the voting machines that has caused people to reasonably wonder if they somehow manipulated the election. Whether he did or not, the innuendo alone is not ok. Then he did what he did in Germany. Don't even get me started on DOGE or his Starlink shenanigans in Ukraine.

That's before we even start talking about the models themselves. He claims to want "unbiased" models, but he very clearly has a distorted view of the world and has repeatedly demonstrated a desire and willingness to bend the world to his will. I don't want to use a model that is so obviously suspect. Not to mention, his models repeatedly produce racist, Nazi-like propaganda.

IMO, he is, at best, a clueless amateur masquerading as an expert and running into problems a more careful person manages to mostly avoid. At worst... well, you get the picture.

"Everyone's doing it" presented with no evidence is just you trying to make yourself feel better for: - using from - driving a Tesla - voting for Trump

It's a really, really easy line to draw in the sand: don't support openly corrupt individuals.

It's absolutely true there's money in politics. To call all money in politics equally corrupt because Bernie got a dollar to have dinner with someone vs Elon effectively directly buying votes....

A complete lack of nuance here. And I wouldn't be surprised if corporations / super rich WANT you to think like that. The more defeatist the mentality becomes the more we just accept whatever they do next.

I probably have the same strix halo box as you. It's slow, although mostly tolerable, but even 128 GB isn't enough to run good models. Where that leaves us is giving money to somebody to get access to frontier models. I don't like any of those guys either, but some appear worse than others. FWIW, I mostly use Anthropic models. And CCP and their distilled models notwithstanding, at least they release open weight models at a lower cost. It's not like any American company can claim the higher ground these days anyway, especially when they trained their models on pirated content and trash our neighborhoods with their datacenters.

For many people, yes. That’s how far down the Elon Musk morality bar is.

Elon would be in prison for SEC violations if the current administration hadn’t been elected, and that’s only the tip of the iceberg with that guy.

Yes, ethically Elon ranks lowest based on the past 5 years of questionable decisions, like uploading your entire codebase to their server without consent.

Elon is directly responsible for Grok becoming self-titled “MechaHitler” which the other three haven’t come close to matching yet.

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Paying people to vote is interfering amigo.

Remember when he got hired by the federal government and walked away with a ton of private data?

It's a different type of model. In my admittedly judgemental observation, people that aren't the type to configure fully automated harnesses with good tools and skills and verifiers for their infrastructure and are way more interventionist in the way their agent works tend to like grok 4.5 more as the main agent. It's much faster and writes more simple and normal code that aligns a bit more with human written code. As an example, instead of sandboxing and simply verifying output artifacts they manually read and approve edits, suggest different code patterns, and manually approved shell commands. On the flip side it's not as good as fable when you need a relatively complex multi step thing done.

But in my experience, the overall productivity ends up similar, give you are willing to work with it in that way.

The grok build TUI harness is excellent and I really enjoyed using it.

For debugging and such I found it pretty much the same as other models.

Fable's taste in software abstraction and project planning in greenfield setups[1] is unmatched in my experience. Sol is OK. My primary use is launching tens of experiments that have to smartly use a limited pool of GPUs.

I use fable to start off the experiments, decide checkpoints, gpu alloc, where to sacrifice precision for performance, and then grok4.5 to iterate, tune, debug, eval, etc, within the abstraction and setup that fable initiated. I have fable write simple scripts that are then wrapped in skills for grok to use. Speed for that loop is extremely important for me, since I also apply human judgement there and I don't like waiting for model output.

I have tried Deepseek and such for the inner agent, but I desperately need multi-modal. Otherwise it's OK, but it tends to use tools less and rambles on and tries to reason with limited information and gets things wrong. Probably a relative la k of tool use posttraining. Gemini flash limits in google ai pro are too low for me to use to compare.

I use anthropic and openais models through grants and so can't compare subscription plan token budgets, but supergrok's budgets are satisfactory.

[1] aside, I have not yet met a model that continues off of a human codebase and actually follows the patterns reliably long term. Eventually it's all slop.

It's much faster, so if you're not doing something cutting-edge, or you're doing the planning yourself and just using the LLM for implementation, the speed benefit outweighs the extra smarts of Fable/Opus5/Sol.

It really does. I felt like I could have spent $1000+ api token on claude for the amount of work on my $30 grok subscription.

For me it helps that back when xAI was the new hotness, after reading HN comments constantly advertising the free Grok credits they were giving out each month for developers with data sharing enabled, I eventually set aside my personal distaste figuring I might as well take advantage for Cline/Roo Code.

I opened a developer API account, loaded 5 dollars and got the free $100s of credits for the month. Like two weeks later, xAI announced they were shutting down the subsidized credits entirely lol. Didn’t even get a full month out of it, and closed my account entirely since I sure wasn’t ever going to put another penny of my own money in.

So my personal lesson was to ignore any hype about the latest “crazy value / unbeatable / free / subsidized X, Y or Z” from anything xAI/Elon adjacent in the future.

These days I get more than enough personal usage from Codex + OpenCode Go to put up with yet another xAI/Cursor offer treadmill, especially if it involves installing new tooling to get it.

Do you not ever 'vote with your wallet'?

When you make politics a big part of your identity, you can’t help but to inject it everywhere. It’s glaringly weird and annoying for those of us who are apathetic and just want to talk about tech, but that’s how it has been for a few years.

It's not virtue signaling. People are allowed to have morals. And they are allowed to act in ways that align with those moral beliefs.

> do you use Apple equipment despite Apple’s use of Chinese slave labor?

If someone said they didn't buy Apple because of this, I'd support them in that too.

People. Are. Complicated. We're allowed to have beliefs, we're allowed to have beliefs that aren't internally consistent. You gotta get over the idea that people aren't genuine believers in their beliefs.

Chinese models are open, Grok is not.

Yeah, sounds a bit like a selection bias, i.e. the people who managed to survive the firings by DOGE and the current admin are the kind of people who might prefer Grok.

That is more FOMO and maybe some end-game where SpaceX essentially owns a vertical slice of ISP+Datacenter+AI+application stack.

Agreed but there were similar controversies with how OpenAI was generating images. The only pass is these are the early days of chatbots and this stuff is so non-deterministic and experimental.

For context, this was the change Grok's team made, that was later reverted:

> - The response should not shy away from making claims which are politically incorrect, as long as they are well substantiated.

https://github.com/xai-org/grok-prompts/commit/c5de4a14feb50...

yes exactly. if a company is happy to have their LLM's produce neo nazi content and CSAM, why do I want to give them money and my most important digital material?

I think "system prompt" is the key bit they're getting at. It doesn't necessarily reflect poorly on the underlying model if the system prompt was bad. It does reflect somewhat, in terms of alignment (how well the model does what the training company wants) and instruction following (how well the model does what the user wants). But it's not so clear to me what exactly the right answer is here. E.g., a model that scrupulously follows its system prompt and does what the user wants is a pretty useful, if very sharp, tool, albeit perhaps dangerous in the wrong hands.

only twice

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk_salute_controversy

Elon did that twice, actually, in real life!

This is the first I'm hearing of this. I can barely get it to generate tame things that aren't porn half the time.

$60B in SPCX stock, which is sort of magic money.