66 pointsby chirau3 hours ago9 comments
  • rmnoflock6 minutes ago
    There's basically 3 ways to get a council to cancel a contract. 1) Persuade them to do it because it's the right thing for the community. This is best done in private. 2) Convince them that the legal liability out weighs the public benefit. This is best done in public. 3) Run for office.

    If you have the energy you can do all 3 in parallel.

    Here's my attempt at 2: https://rmnoflock.com/2026/07/29/rolling-meadows-flock-camer...

    Does anyone have advice or experience with 2?

  • simonw21 minutes ago
    Abuse by police officers and other individuals with access to these systems is the answer to the stupid but common question "why should I worry about surveillance if I have nothing to hide".
    • tptacek8 minutes ago
      I never hear that question from Flock supporters. The question I hear[†] is "why shouldn't we be pulling over stolen cars?". It's a much harder one to answer than the straw man questions we set up for these things.

      (To be clear: I think the current generation of ALPRs is a policy failure and that major changes need to happen inside state law enforcement systems before they can be deployed successfully. But I also think people on HN have a real problem in convincing themselves about the obvious righteousness of their anti-surveillance arguments.)

      [†] I heard arguments like these because I was deeply involved in getting the cameras disabled in the inner-ring Chicago suburb in which I live, getting the first ACLU CCOPS ordinance in Illinois passed there, and helping draft what are probably the most detailed ALPR police General Orders in any municipality, or at least were at the time. Which is a long and pretentious way of saying I spent a lot of time talking to people who are not Very Online.

  • tptacekan hour ago
    Flock cameras appear to be one of the few things that can get police officers fired.
    • edotan hour ago
      Right, because you don’t want to let the little guys mess it up for the big guys: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2026/05/fbi-seeks-us-wid...

      Gotta make a statement with the low level grunts so the citizenry think these systems have accountability.

    • xnxan hour ago
      Silver lining! The cameras are catching criminals.
    • lokar14 minutes ago
      Until they negotiate protections in their next contract.
      • tptacek4 minutes ago
        Whatever protections your area police have from these kinds of firings are a matter of public record. Have you FOIA'd your local department to see what they are? You might be surprised.

        The real teeth behind these disciplinary events, at least in suburban/metro areas, are that departments don't want to lose the cameras, and know that they will if abuses aren't answered.

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  • madhackeran hour ago
    Flock is importing China's ubiquitous surveillance in America until every habitable space is captured
    • roumenguha39 minutes ago
      I get that this comment is meant to warn about the creeping government overreach and a curtailment of free speech, by comparing the US against a society where government surveillance is already commonplace.

      I wonder if it does a disservice to readers to not make that same comparison against more similar countries instead (UK, Germany, Australia to name a few examples)?

    • tremon20 minutes ago
      It's not that useful to single out Flock for that purpose. Google Nest and Amazon Alexa are also in that category.
      • edoceo14 minutes ago
        Maybe Ring too?
        • tremon12 minutes ago
          Certainly! And probably a multitude of other devices and phone apps as well.
    • FpUser20 minutes ago
      China is not responsible for your fuck-us, you own it
      • edoceo12 minutes ago
        No claim was made that China is responsible. Stay on point.
  • timoxley3 hours ago
    nobody saw this coming
  • jiveturkey3 hours ago
    > weren’t authorized

    this is easily solved with current technology, if they had an incentive to do so.

    besides firing folks that get caught, flock themselves should be brought to court.

    • akerl_an hour ago
      This feels like a weird comment on an article about how they monitored usage, identified misuse, and terminated the people involved.

      There's surely plenty of entities that need better controls around usage of technology / records / etc, but this is an example of somebody having an incentive and then following through.

      • garbagewoman6 minutes ago
        its good PR for these systems that they are very keen to roll out, i would say theres a vested interest in stories like these from the exact agencies deploying them
        • akerl_a minute ago
          I'm getting https://xkcd.com/810/ vibes.

          If government entities get good PR for rolling out strong policies, practices, and tooling for the data they have, and that makes more of them very keen to do so... mission accomplished?

      • paimapian hour ago
        it's also possible that we're only seeing a few select departments fire their officers. there are no laws around this as far as I'm aware so enforcement is purely departmental policy. how many sheriff's offices and police departments do these audits and how many of them act on abuses?

        you should need a warrant to monitor the products of mass surveillance and it should be as narrowly targeted towards a suspect as possible. or just not have any of the mass CCTV placements everywhere in the first place

        • akerl_43 minutes ago
          I think we may be agreeing?

          I'm in favor of pushing for police departments (and really any governmental body with access to any kind of data) to have regulations around access to that data, access controls to restrict illegitimate access, and monitoring to detect improper access by people who do have legitimate access but don't follow the proper regulations.

          I think you're correct that we don't tend to see the instances where improper usage occurs, tautologically because those entities aren't doing their homework on the above.

      • lux-lux-lux44 minutes ago
        Systems should be built so abuse isn’t allowed in the first place, in addition to monitoring for compliance.
        • akerl_41 minutes ago
          There always ends up being a real world to digital interface and it always has the potential for abuse, and thus always requires some level of monitoring and validation.

          The department in this article appears to be doing just that:

          > Every search run through the Flock Safety platform is automatically logged — who ran it, when, and the reason they gave for doing it. SPD said they also have other safeguards in place, including mandatory training, role-based access controls and supervisory oversight.

    • morkalorkan hour ago
      Ah but you see flock doesn't own the data so they're not responsible for misuse of it and other such legal deflections.
  • Tostinoan hour ago
    My town's covered with them already, without much warning in the local news, at least none I saw. And they're about to add 50% more all over the county. Planning on going to the zoning meeting Tuesday to speak against them. Also had a handful of yard signs printed up and put them at major intersections around town warning about the expansion, pointing people to the zoning meeting.

    Very much not okay with this surveillance state bullshit.

    • quackedan hour ago
      I don't believe a legal solution is possible. We need a three-tiered response to Flock's surveillance state business strategy, depending on what level of meddling each citizen is comfortable with.

      1. Protest via yard signs and awareness (what you're doing)

      2. Impermanent vandalism. I like the idea of hanging copies of the fourth amendment over the lenses

      3. Permanent vandalism. I think we need bounties on camera destruction and public legal funds to assist in defense, bail, etc.

      The police as a class/caste are not interested in the fundamental principles that America was founded on. Individual officers may be interested in civil freedom and privacy but as an entity they only ever march in the direction of total surveillance and domination of the citizenry.

      • edot44 minutes ago
        Absolutely not. Horrible advice. You give the rest of us peaceful majority a bad name. Protest legally. Your post glows.
        • onoesworkacct14 minutes ago
          Who's more effective at protesting, USA or France?

          And, which country routinely sets a bunch of shit on fire when they need to?

          That's right.

        • edoceo7 minutes ago
          America started with an illegal protest.
        • crooked-v30 minutes ago
          Genuinely effective protests are rarely entirely legal.
    • CircuitSeussan hour ago
      I would encourage you to add arrows to your signs/ stickers pointing out the cameras. More impactful when people see (and are unconsensually recorded by) the device first hand.

      Good work!

  • angry_octet3 hours ago
    ...andd they are now working for ICE HSI for higher pay.
    • smallerize3 hours ago
      "The names of the fired employees aren’t being released right now." Somehow even after being fired there is no accountability.
  • austin-cheneyan hour ago
    From reading the article it seems the problem was not surveillance in any form but unauthorized use of police systems. I am not seeing anything new here. For decades police can be investigated for any improper searches of license plates or personal IDs, which can result in criminal referrals.
    • tyre40 minutes ago
      Out of curiosity, what are the non-surveillance uses for a license plate tracking service
      • jameslars33 minutes ago
        The estimated travel times displayed in major cities along highways are calculated by license plate sampling from what I understand
        • voxic1111 minutes ago
          So you think that is the unauthorized use that the officers were fired for?
      • austin-cheney8 minutes ago
        This is called a strawman. The article was about misconduct, not technology.