8 pointsby Archie6277 hours ago8 comments
  • mvanveen6 hours ago
    Maybe it’s just me but (and I ask this as something of an ML practitioner myself) can anyone at Anthropic or Open AI or any of the frontier labs work on summarizing content into a format where a human won’t immediately vomit?

    There’s this sort of local optima all these models pick which is instantly recognizable and hardly digestible for human consumption. Perhaps too much internal RL against benchmarks during chain of thought? The older non reasoning models had they’re own problems but at this point I can’t get an LLM to summarize data for humans, which is troubling.

    As much as I’d like to read this piece it follows suit and I don’t have the patience to try and extract anything valuable from it.

    • toomim6 hours ago
      I'm starting to notice that LLMs tend to speak in the form of movie trailers.

      Say this in a deep masculine dramatic voice:

           One man.  One gun.   A story that would could never die.
      
      Compare that with this Coldcard page:

           Two files, four lines, five years unnoticed.   This is the COLDCARD
           entropy failure
      
      It's trying too hard to replicate a dramatic movie arc with every... single... sentence...
      • wewewedxfgdf5 hours ago
        You are correct, and that style of writing is called "broetry".
      • saidnooneever5 hours ago
        but someday in a galaxy far far away...

        what do you think these things are trained on? mountains of rubbish, human and likely also AI slop. how many bad movies and ads do u think they are fed. poor things. i can see them caged in the corporate HQ, with their tails shoved down their own throats rigged up to the SlopExtractor9000.

        its time for the UN to Unslop the world. or something like that :(

    • wewewedxfgdf6 hours ago
      Yes, you say:

      "write (whatever you want written), BUT do not make it sound like a typical AI don't use any of the tropes or typical phrases that AI tends to use - if you include anything that makes it appear to be from AI then the task has failed. Pull your writing away from the median and toward very specific random styles that are NOT the cliched, averaged LLM style."

      edit: actually wrong I tried to get ChatGPT to do this and it kept falling back into LLM speak even when it recognised that's what it was doing.

    • carrychains4 hours ago
      Give it a sample of your own technical writing and tell it to match the voice. I did this with Fable just today and it nailed it.
    • AreShoesFeet0006 hours ago
      that is just fatigue. you’ve been vibed too hard.
    • j16sdiz5 hours ago
      Maybe it learn it from content farms, not RL.

      Before LLM, the majority of the web was content farms... but those are instantly recognizable and we seldom fall into them. Now LLM mixed the content farm style writing with _some_ real content. It take time and effort to tell they are slop, causing much fatigue.

  • wewewedxfgdf6 hours ago
    "This is the part worth sitting with." - written by AI.

    It is possible to get the AI to write stuff that does not sound like AI you just have to ask it to properly.

    • kibibu5 hours ago
      There are so many AI-isms in this. It is frankly astonishing to me that AI detectors are so poor when this is screaming out.

      > Six steps, no jargon. The note beside each one is the precise technical version, for anyone who wants to check the work.

      It actually makes me uncomfortable reading this garbage now.

      • wewewedxfgdf5 hours ago
        You hear it on TV too often political pundits have this exact turn of phrase.

        "But here's the part keeping me up at night....."

  • addaon6 hours ago
    It's not gone. It was just transferred in payment to someone who understood the rules of the game better.
    • ahazred8ta5 hours ago
      As Kevin Bacon put it in Quicksilver, "What happened to all that money?" "Nothing happened to it. The money's still there. It just belongs to somebody else now."
    • grebc6 hours ago
      So after all that, still gone?
      • addaon6 hours ago
        No, someone else has it. It's a zero-sum game.
        • grebc5 hours ago
          So the legal owner can’t use it, correct?
        • j16sdiz6 hours ago
          So,.. money never "gone" ?
  • VariousPrograms5 hours ago
    Your competitor has a $100m self-implosion in what must be an all-time slam dunk marketing moment and you spend 7 cents generating a marketing blog post instead of having someone write it.
  • jondwillis6 hours ago
    Since this has become a thread about complaining about unreadable, brain-killing AI slop, I'll add mine:

    >Six steps, no jargon. The note beside each one is the precise technical version, for anyone who wants to check the work.

    I think this is called "concept leak" or "prompt leak" (please someone correct me, I can't recall at the moment.) It is one of my least-favorite failure modes. I notice it a lot when drafting landing pages, and it eats up a lot of time to edit away.

    • kibibu5 hours ago
      That's a great name for it; I've seen it on AI-generated form pages, where a version of the requirement text is included alongside an input.
  • aappleby6 hours ago
    Get a human to write it or GTFO
  • HeartStrings6 hours ago
    Good info, but em dash slopmaxxing, slop prose and AI design is such a buzzkill.
  • gmerc6 hours ago
    It’s not A it’s B. Thanks. Slop.