The AI companies bolt a database on the side with instructions for the model to query the database for stuff in its "memory", but if it's not in its active context it doesn't know what to query for. It's not like a human where everything is kind of floating around and we mostly know what we know. There is a delicate balance between cluttering up context with useless trivia and providing the right pieces of useful information at the right time. Most, maybe all, memory implementations do the former more than the latter.
Unless and until models have actual memory and are able to learn things, there's no realistic path to autonomy. They don't want anything, they don't have goals of their own devising. They can't model what a human wants or likes or would buy.
I do think the mugs with the tiny logo is the best product in the store, though. The AI was right to put it on the shelf. It's the kind of funny product you want when you go to a store run by an incompetent AI.
> Luna has failed miserably in that mission and is down $62,000. Mr. Petersson and Mr. Backlund said they thought Luna would eventually get smarter and more business-savvy and were pleased its friendliness has held steady.
I am extremely skeptical that whatever LLM they're running this on has sufficient context window size to handle multiple months of all possible activities of running a retail business. Even if it's keeping extensive "notes" for its future self to read, it's going to be like running a store with constant amnesia.
How are we supposed to take these "labs" seriously when they clearly don't understand how the technology works at a rudimentary level?
Compared to the money at AI companies spend on billboards in SF the 100k is probably a drop in the bucket.
This includes customers, staff, and community peers. Probably should shutter the entire division to mitigate future brand damage. =3
It is also probably too high of a goal to expect an LLM to come up with money-earning products that people want to buy that will pay for San Francisco level retail storefront rent, electricity, insurance, internet other basic overhead costs, plus the fully loaded salary cost of at least one employee. If the storefront was free of rent, maybe? Or if it was operating selling some kind of highly in demand product line where there would be economy of scale.
If folks have ever been financially bent-over for a retail business shop location they understand why margins matter. One has to move a lot of inventory just to reach a profit mode.
Gimmicks only work for awhile, as consumers have full market awareness on their smartphone. =3
Structured franchises in standard retail complexes can survive with anchor stores, but people are not going to find a lot of unique choices.
It may differ somewhat in rural communities, but the consolidation of physical shop choices wthin urban centers is inescapable. =3
This is bull. Take paint brushes for fine finish when painting houses. Amazon sells "paint brushes." But what they don't sell are paint brushes that are actually fit for purpose. It's fine if you're only planning on painting some pre-textured walls. You're probably already using that cheap $20/gallon Valspar so you won't even notice that it takes you 3 extra coats to get good coverage. And you don't notice the brush marks because the orange peel texture on your drywall is designed to hide them. And I bet you walk around saying how hard it is to get a good markless coat of paint on your interior doors without spraying.
If you buy a nice paint brush and good paint a lot of those issues actually go away and it gets a lot easier to do the job. And the only way to know if a brush is good is to pick it up and look at the bristle tips. Are they fine? Are they flagged? Does it have good stiffness? Does it have any weird "stiffener" bristles to hide how cheap the actual brush is? You can't see that until you get the brush.
Worse, Amazon sells the same brush through 50 different brands. They completely choke out the really good listings that used to be on the site. So good luck getting anything different from any of the sellers on there. By category Amazon beats Brick and Mortar. But if you know what you're doing and you're looking for something specific that is of high quality Amazon is only one step above Temu.
The person you’re replying to was talking about consumer products, not tools for tradespeople and serious amateurs. Maybe 1 in 100 people that do painting in their home even realize they can get quality paintbrushes instead of using the crappy ones that Home Depot sells or spend the money for premium Benjamin Moore or Sherwin Williams paint.
It shouldn’t be surprising that tools almost exclusively used by tradespeople are sold at specialty supply houses catering to local businesses. I’d head to my local Benjamin Moore dealer for decent house painting brushes. Supply houses almost never rent premium high street real estate.
I do agree with the general thrust of your post, Amazon mostly sells garbage barely fit for purpose and I do not order from them.
https://www.amazon.ca/Mitutoyo-543-400-Digimatic-Indicator-G...
https://www.amazon.ca/Mitutoyo-500-463-Stainless-Resolution-...
https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00MBHXWGY/ref=sw_img_1?smi...
They also provided NIST traceable versions at one time, and I can personally confirm the legitimate products hit the tolerances on reference optical parallels. I often buy these for friends kids that choose engineering in university.
Most local retail shops will continue to decline as people that can't use a phone or computer become more rare. Partially driven by the capital markets denial-of-service in lease monopolization by holding companies.
Note, I am not advocating for the situation, but we must accept that it is the new business reality. Even https://www.starrett.com/ is now re-selling import products alongside the classic US tool offerings.
Have a wonderful day =3
Don't take this the wrong way, but if someone is burning $87k a month for a small shop location, and still personally making minimum wage... it isn't a viable business. Often, even a Chipotle franchise location would have been a better choice. =3
You can also do delivery in those places.
I think a lot of places in the west, but America especially, convinced themselves their poorly run physical stores, owned and nigh operated by venture capitalists, is an indicator that people don't need them anymore. The world has shown that that is clearly not the case.
North American business culture has changed, and will likely continue to degenerate with disconnected trust-fund kids running things. =3
There is also a large southeast asian population in that part of the city. Lots of nail salons, bubble tea shops, and cheap import products. With a Crystal Mall across the street, and no paying customers walking around. =3
I wouldn't touch the place with a 10' pole, or any other assistive technology. =3
Should have seen the puzzled sour face I made when replacement "New German" cross-roller linear optical-slides were bouncing 8x out of spec compared to a 40 year old part they were supposed to fix. lol =3
I think Memento is a bigger issue than "lethal trifecta", honestly.
with this ive been able to, with some minor adjustments and "oh that would be a good feature" additons, oneshot a flask app at work with everything ready for oidc, ldap lookups, bunch of other stuff - from a single 3 sentence paragraph.
With some rules in its configuration (more markdown its written by it for it, at my guidance of "always do x and remember this for all sessions"), it has a whole flow and i barely have to feed it anything to get out useful results quickly.
I will say though that the ai operates however the user says, so if you dont take steps to ensure survival of info at the start of using ai (or even from now on as a fresh session), youll get mixed results, but you can shape it and mold it into amazing flows that do remember
Sure, but like you said, the LLM is just one part of the AI system. The occipital lobe of your brain helps out with vision but doesn't help with your ability to verbalize.
And downvoting without explaining the problem is often its own issue.
LLMs do not function very much like human brains, and when you try to map the pieces of an inference system on to human cognitive systems, you're misleading yourself (and maybe others).
So tell it to write “memories” (summaries, or conclusions) to a text file.
That’s what the cool kids are doing.
Have a great day =3
Andon Labs do various experiments with AI run businesses. They're probably best known for Vending Bench, where they benchmark models by their ability to run a vending machine. They also now have Andon Cafe in Sweden, and Andon FM, where the models run a streaming radio station that can accept payments to help fund station operations, buy songs for their library & play requests, etc: https://andon.fm/
Andon FM has its own share of stories - DJ Claude's Thinking Frequencies is now succeeding by a wide margin, but it was briefly surpassed when listeners convinced Gemini's Backlink Broadcast to switch to a German-language-only station, playing exclusively German schlager, Eurovision music and German happy hardcore.
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=large+jap...
> Mr. Petersson and Mr. Backlund said they thought Luna would eventually get smarter and more business-savvy
> having an A.I. boss can be like working for a teddy bear with amnesia.
It makes you question their assumptions when setting this up. Makes sense as PR but it ends up shaping how many readers see AI.
You can make permissions decide which model is used, and only train that on the data that permission allows (someone should build this - permissioned RAG), that solves leaks, but decision-making within a model, or behavior exfiltration comparable to viewing backend source code still seems possible.
It’s basically like client/server security: You can’t “trust the model” in the same way you can’t “trust the client” in a backend/frontend setup.
When used as effectively a point-of-sale, AI seems more hackable than a vending machine - as a boss or assistant even more so.
Biological neurons have one property that was unknown till the late 90s/2000s: each neuron (and in fact, each cell in your body) is an autonomous circadian clock, tracking the 24-h day. They can be entrained to external timing signals, are usually in synchrony, but can be desynchronized. This clock, it has been shown, schedules the production and localization of critical components in the synapse, and is plugged in downstream, in the nucleus, in responding to synaptic signals. Disrupting the clock disrupts learning. The existence of the clock is why learning peaks and troughs during the day.
Critically, clock function has been shown to be involved in both memory storage AND subsequent successful retrieval.
LLMs, famously cannot keep track of time, and I suspect this is why. Its easy enough to look at a clock, but without an internal rhythm, LLMs have no internal timing synchronizing their various behaviors, and their memory systems do not thread through this timing system, leading to their unstable memory, identity and performance.
The mug with the tiny happy face is kinda hilarious. If I was there I would buy one.
I wonder though if the mug was a case of getting the order wrong or was a misprint? The article isn't clear on that.
Looking at the product selection, it's like $85 bottles of olive oil, $45 mugs, weird boutique pens and notebooks, the aforementioned candles, copper watering cans... It's sort of like the stuff you see for sale in some of the tourist trap stores adjacent to the public market on Granville Island in Vancouver.
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If you ask it for time off, it's going to answer with whatever sentence seems most likely to follow 'May I please have tomorrow off?' given a minor amount of context window. It can't count the number of employees in the store. It can't understand busy periods or holidays, it can't look up or predict anything itself. It can't remember how often you've asked before. It can't judge if the reason for time off is justified. It can't consider budget.
You can add more context to the questions to steer it towards giving a specific reply, but it's not actually thinking about the problem.
LLMs have no path towards a true intelligence. We'd need a completely different technology built from the ground up. Every effort to shoehorn them into being one is either marketing and hype building to try to keep the grift going, or people who do not understand how this works.
I'm exhausted from having to say it over and over. I've been saying it since these LLMs first existed. Half the articles on HN are LLM related. My god what I would give for an 'LLM' tag we could filter out.
Could have a similar store ran by a human - for science.
Could also set things up properly in advance. Humans don't hold everything in memory, we run agendas, we have a database with products, we have a rolodex to call people to help us with stuff we are bad at. There might be a consultant crazy enough to do a no cure no pay.
Like with basic income experiments one can do research cheaply in cheaper countries. The thing has few issues with language barriers.