169 pointsby askvictor4 hours ago20 comments
  • r3trohack3r11 minutes ago
    A rendition of this was aired on X-Minus One

    https://archive.org/details/OTRR_X_Minus_One_Singles/XMinusO...

  • WillAdams36 minutes ago
    One thing which I find striking here is that a modern home and attendant conveniences roughly embodies 10--15 horsepower of effort, or the work of 40 or so full time house staff.

    Thus far, the only notable robots are little disks which vacuum up floors (and they're getting outlawed: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49104371 ) and some innovations just haven't become widespread (an uncle of mine piped his home for a central vacuum system, compleat w/ a switch at each connection for on/off) --- I really can't recall a device with widespread demand since DVD and then Blueray players (or maybe the Wii? the PS2 counts as a DVD player arguably). I don't know anyone who has done more than read about "Smart Mirrors" for example....

    What will be the first device to bottle up AI and other modern technologies in a package and become widely in-demand/distributed?

    • ern_ave19 minutes ago
      > What will be the first device to bottle up AI and other modern technologies in a package and become widely in-demand

      One problem I see is that corporations insist on collecting and reselling our data. As a result, a lot of people are reticent to get much automation. They seem to accept it with TVs, but other devices - it's just too much of an intrusion.

      I say "a lot of people" but I don't know how many people it is, exactly.

      There was recently a bit of a controversy with a refrigerator that had a big monitor on the door. That could actually be a cool feature: it could show you what's inside before you open the door. You could access it remotely if you're at the store and trying to remember if you have milk at home. But of course, the company started putting ads on it, and undoubtedly they're selling your data.

      • physPop3 minutes ago
        HN crowd is not representative of the world at large. consumers don't care. cost and convenience are primary motivators.
    • Multicomp10 minutes ago
      Only new models of robots are banned, FCC approval of previous devices still stands and therefore we can continue to purchase those models. They will just get additionally out of date.

      > However, the US ban only covers new advanced robot models, not existing products that have already received FCC equipment authorization for sale in the US. The "action does not impact a consumer’s continued use of devices they previously acquired," the FCC says. "Nor does it prevent retailers from continuing to sell, import, or market relevant models approved previously.”

    • throwawayffffas12 minutes ago
      https://www.weaverobotics.com/

      And Toyota robotics has been trying to solve loading dishwashers for at least 7 years.

      And that's all the housework required really, vacuuming, mopping, dishwasher un/loading, picking random stuff off the floor, dusting is another minor thing to have done.

      The vast majority of labor has already been solved with dishwashers and washing machines and dryers, electric ovens and stoves.

    • bigfishrunning16 minutes ago
      the real problem with household robots is that they are either flimsy toys or dangerous machines, and there's not much in-between. If we were to build a humanoid robot that would just put laundry away (as described in a HN article a few weeks ago), it would need to be strong enough to lift a laundry basket, have advanced control systems to go up and down stairs, and also be safe/reliable/trusted enough not to hurt people or damage property. We can do these things (modulo the trust, probably) but the confluence of all of it gets very expensive very quickly.

      People want Rosie from the Jetsons, but the compute power required would be astronomical, the mechanical systems would need maintenance, and there would be real safety concerns.

      With LLMs, we've got the wisecracking figured out...

      • throwawayffffas9 minutes ago
        It's not expensive, it's an unsolved problem, the main issue for many years has been the modeling of cloth behavior. They already have a folding robot that means they have solved a significant chunk of it.

        But the generalization of behaviors is also a large problem. Pick and place is mostly solved I believe, but translating your housework to pick and place in your apartment is still a bit off.

    • intrasight31 minutes ago
      It'll be a US or Japanese or South Korean robot since it's not allowed to come from China.

      I'd be in favor of Apple entering that market.

      I think they'll be a huge first-mover advantage because of the Chinese blockade preventing cheap clones.

      • schnitzelstoat27 minutes ago
        Roomba made some of the first robotic vacuum cleaners and they were based in the US.

        Nowadays, they are just more expensive and inferior to the Roborock ones though. But thanks to the wonder of protectionism soon the customer won't be able to pick the better product.

        • intrasight25 minutes ago
          What's "better" for the individual is not necessarily better for the society.

          Also I think a better policy than blocking Chinese imports (which is probably not sustainable anyway) would be to require that the software be audited and comply with regulations. Same rules and regulations should apply to robots from all countries.

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  • mrloopex24 minutes ago
    Born in 1968 I missed “duck and cover” but rode the wave of Reagan brinkmanship with my skater friends until 1990, watching all the broadcast TV PSAs and songs and art about nuclear war. It was real. It pervaded daily life: the notion that two old white men were having a pissing contest with every human as disposable bargaining chips. And as always, 25% of the US population cheered for purification of the planet because Jesus was coming (see: Hal Lindsay).
    • pavlov8 minutes ago
      After the optimism of the 1990s, we're basically back there except now it's three old white men (Netanyahu orchestrated the most recent war to escalate into nuclear threats).

      And those American evangelicals are still cheering on the apocalypse, but they're even more entrenched in politics and the judiciary. Some major decisions during the two Trump admins were made entirely based on Rapture accelerationism, e.g. moving the US embassy to Jerusalem to fulfill Biblical prophecy.

  • JshWright25 minutes ago
    I accidentally started a reread of Octiva Butler's Parable of the Sower in late 2024 (I'd read it many years ago, but forgot the timeline). It was eerie...
  • tetris11an hour ago

        Eternal rains will come  
        We should say goodbye   
        And suffer on our own  
        As all our thoughts were wrong
  • Tade041 minutes ago
    I feel like the modern version of this would have the neighbourhood largely intact, but humans killed via miniature drones.

    Drives home the point how few anticipated that batteries would advance so much.

    • Denote67374 minutes ago
      you say that like trump wasn't stopped from launching nukes at iran by one of his military advisors.
  • nahuel0xan hour ago
    USSR animated version (1984): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oxP3TyuQx0
    • Tade044 minutes ago
      This clip is what introduced me to this story.

      This adaptation is heavily modified, but I think it adds to the whole thing. Soviet artists had an uncanny talent for making everything that's unsettling even more so.

    • butlike37 minutes ago
      Where'd the Turkey dinner come from if it's a nuclear wasteland?

      All joking aside; an excellent animation

      • jhbadger10 minutes ago
        I think the idea is that the house had large amounts of storage and freezers that it could use to get ingredients for meals which it then cooked.
      • purpleflame125711 minutes ago
        Bradbury actually anticipated this on the Martian side and explicitly calls out frozen dinners.
  • purpleflame125714 minutes ago
    It's interesting to look at the short a story and see where we are still behind on home automation. We still don't have robot firefighting or accurate robot cooking, for example.
  • peesem2 hours ago
    already posted at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49162653 which is itself a dupe but that was the first one posted today
  • diseasedyak10 minutes ago
    I'm glad our homes aren't shrieking at us at all hours.

    Amazing story, though.

  • spmealin29 minutes ago
    One of my favorite versions is read by Nimoy. https://web.archive.org/web/20200615075956/https://www.youtu...
  • graysnow862 hours ago
    this version seems to be missing large sections compared to the other posted version, like how the mice throughly clean up the debris after the dog's entrance, the dog smelling food through the kitchen door and scratching at it, etc etc
    • dfansteel2 hours ago
      The original was published as a one page story. It was later reprinted in a longer format.
  • CTDOCodebasesan hour ago
    I liked Ray Bradbury's thoughts on the internet when it first came into existence
    • jhbadger2 minutes ago
      He also had interesting ideas on shopping malls of all things, hoping that they could turn into places where people would socialize besides shopping and that they should have a maze-like layout so that people could get what he called "enjoyably lost" the way people can exploring cities. The since-closed Horton Plaza mall in San Diego had an odd layout and the architect even claimed inspiration from Bradbury for it.
  • katzgrauan hour ago
    No nuclear apocalypse yet.

    Nice.

    • none2585an hour ago
      The day is young!
      • darkwater28 minutes ago
        It happened the day before, since children were still playing. We are safe.
    • butlike28 minutes ago
      Maybe it happened while we were sleeping and this is just some radioactive psychedelic dream
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  • jake_and_fatman41 minutes ago
    Growing up, I hated this guy. Boring! Now, I can recognize writing talent.
  • taybin42 minutes ago
    I love Ray Bradbury. My favorite short story author.
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  • ngvrndan hour ago
    So is The Pedestrian...
    • Jtsummersan hour ago
      > So is The Pedestrian...

      It's set in November, not August, and another 27 years further in the future (at least the version currently linked to on the front page).

  • mbernstein43 minutes ago
    Nature won't know or care if humanity erases itself.
    • nahuel0x38 minutes ago
      As far as we know life is only present on Earth, we presuppose that in the vastness of Cosmos there are other instances of it or that it can re-emerge from almost zero, but the reality is that we simply don't know. So maybe there is a possibility that wiping out all the life on Earth also wipes it from the entire Cosmos, forever.
      • pfdietz37 minutes ago
        Or perhaps the comment you were responding to was asserting "knowing" or "caring" is not something Nature can do.
        • nahuel0x4 minutes ago
          I care and I'm part of Nature.