39 pointsby cdrnsf4 hours ago3 comments
  • wredcoll3 hours ago
    Remember when all the republicans told us we needed to let school shootings happen because the second ammendment was so important because it would protect us from stuff like this?
    • epluribusunum_2 hours ago
      We need to let fatal car crashes continue to happen because car transportation is more useful than the downsides of lives lost or injured. We can try to minimize car accidents and school shootings without removing the immense benefits of a population that can both transport itself and defend itself from tyranny. The problem with leftist idealogy has always been that they are so open minded their brains fall out.
      • moate2 minutes ago
        "defend itself from tyranny". Burner, the tyranny is in the room and the 2A bootlickers all signed up to enforce it. Please show me the country higher on the global freedom index with more guns per-capita than the US. The "immense benefit" to the guns is "the poors keep killing each other and distracting themselves from building a guillotine".

        This is jingoistic hogwash and not an actually moral point.

      • anigbrowl18 minutes ago
        GTFOH with that counter-rational drivel. Accidents and mass murder aren't equivalent just because both can result in death.
    • antibull3 hours ago
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  • josefritzishere2 hours ago
    How is this not a conflict of interest?
  • citizenpaul3 hours ago
    This seems like some sort of bait style "news" that hurts the very real awareness of issues with flock. It is not only normal but standard practice for a company to try to get users to evangelize its products.

    I am not pro FLOCK.

    • anigbrowl7 minutes ago
      'Users' here are not a neutral, non-aligned set of private customers expressing their opinion about proposed regulation. They're public officials being trained to shape policy before the public has a chance to weigh in.

      The agencies that fare best aren't the ones with the best set of talking points after the fact. They're the ones who walked into city council meeting chambers first, before there was anything to react to, and said 'here's what we're using, here's why we're using it, and here's how to hold us accountable.

      - Chris Colwell, SVP of customer experience at Flock, quoted on page 4 of the document

      In other words, they're advising public officials (the police) to pre-empt the public approval process and then shut down potential objections by claiming that regulatory mechanisms already in place. There's a name for this: regulatory or institutional capture. The 'users' of the technology are not private individuals who are free to go off and make their own buying decisions about what works best for them.

    • tencentshill17 minutes ago
      City councils represent all the people of the community, not just the police department or a private company. The problem will solve itself in one election cycle as people vote out the candidates that Flock swayed.
      • anigbrowl4 minutes ago
        The problem will solve itself in one election cycle

        Yeah that's pretty unlikely because it's hard to organize people for candidate B just based on one point of dissatisfaction with candidate A, especially when votes against candidate A can be easily split and Candidate A uses their incumbent advantage to claim credit for any and all positive outcomes.

    • wredcoll3 hours ago
      You're not wrong, exactly, but also people are justifiably mad at flock's existence and as a result articles like this get written.

      Perhaps there is a perfect world where every article is "better" than this, but this one doesn't seem so bad.

    • moate3 hours ago
      Finding out the battle plan for your opponent and finding ways to attack their strongest points is absolutely valuable in public policy debate.

      I'd rather have this information available vs not if I found out my city council was about to lay out money for this trash service. Of course I understand the cops are driving the issue, but knowing how to cut their legs out from under them is helpful.