52 pointsby pamplemeese12 hours ago11 comments
  • kqr6 minutes ago
    I find the recommendation in favour of discrete categories over numeric probability for confidence level intriguing, because it goes against the grain of all advice I've read for humans interested in forecasting.

    The easiest argument in favour of numeric probability is that it's simple to evaluate. Someone claiming to be 90 % certain better be right about nine out of ten times -- no fewer, but also not too often! This is useful when you're learning to judge your own confidence, which most people are bad at. (Almost everyone can train themselves to be better at i but some people seem to be good at it with no training.)

    The typical argument against categories is that people can mean very different things with the same word: https://i.ibb.co/kQT4Ymz/q.png

    It seems like TFA gets around these problems by creating a translation table between a fixed set of categories and the probabilities implied by the model for those categories. That's an interesting approach!

  • dogma11388 minutes ago
    You don’t ask an LLM, but certain LLMs expose internal metrics you can tell how many token candidates where there what was the score which one and which one was selected.

    So there are objective ways to control hallucinations as well as figuring out how “correct” the answer is to some extent.

  • SubiculumCode30 minutes ago
    Who can read that text color and background combo? I had to turn on reader mode in Firefox.
    • ed_mercer23 minutes ago
      renders fine here on firefox android, black text on slightly yellow tinted light background
  • foo12bar2 hours ago
    There was a post earlier on HN where they trained a probe which could give a realistic confidence score on an LLM, they claim with 81% accuracy. They used it to interrupt and switch to a smarter model if a dumber one had low confidence: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49010782
  • apwheele22 minutes ago
    So I agree with the general geist of this, a few counter-examples though:

    If you have the raw log-probs, I show how to use conformal inference to set false-positive or recall rates, https://crimede-coder.com/blogposts/2026/ConfClassification

    Some of the peer reviewed papers with the older models did show calibration was bad (not close to monotonic). This post with newer models (for one example, classifiying injuries) is not that bad, https://gmcirco.github.io/blog/posts/ai-calibration/calibrat....

    I mean it just depends on the application, what level of error you can consider. But the second post shows how to recalibrate the scores as well if you need calibrated probabilities.

  • mexicocitinluez10 minutes ago
    This resonates with what I'm seeing in healthcare right now and the bad taste it's leaving.

    There are a whole host of new EMRs popping up that aim to help clinicians make judgement calls about how to answer certain questions and even when particular procedures are relevant. The last one we demoed, each piece of information it retrieved from the LLM has a confidence score attached to it. Our nurses have to fill out 200+ question forms when taking on a new patient that all HAVE to be completed in a single-go meaning that you can't split it up into multiple forms and it's gotta be one cohesive unit.

    Imagine being a nurse with little technical skill and almost no idea how these tools work trying to make sense of what the difference between a 90% and 70% is across 200 different questions. "We're 60% sure the patient is allergic to nuts" means jack shit to them. Granted, sometimes the scores are complimented with actual references in the underlying documentation (history and physical, referring info) but sometimes it's not.

    • t3hTao5 minutes ago
      Healthcare still uses fax. No surprise they arent using Frontier AI to answer these questions. (And if you still don't trust AI, have the report on the left side of the screen and the source pages on the right side of the screen)
  • bob10295 hours ago
    I agree with the author if we are trying to use this as some sort of absolute scale of confidence. It only develops meaning when we control for many other variables. Looking at confidence scores across two different models or prompts is probably not a good idea.
  • empthought32 minutes ago
    “That’s real, and it’s interesting.”

    Stop with the slop.

    • t3hTao5 minutes ago
      Use AI to condense, not extend.
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  • chrisjj2 hours ago
    > the capability is highly unreliable and highly context-dependent.

    Sounds like what's highly unreliable is the evidence, making the "capability" just another imagining.

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