42 pointsby alphabetatango4 hours ago8 comments
  • fc417fc8022 minutes ago
    Please consider installing one of the many PoW schemes such as anubis rather than use these cloudflare "features". I increasingly encounter outright blocks rather than any sort of captcha when visiting cloudflare "protected" sites. Each individual site isn't particularly important to me but it's depressing to watch the process unfold.
  • simonw2 hours ago
    The big news here is that Googlebot will be blocked from September 15th onwards by one the "block training" policies, because Google use the same crawler infrastructure for their search index AND for training Gemini:

    > Another change that will apply on September 15 is that multi-purpose crawlers (specifically those that combine Search with Training) will be allowed/blocked according to all of their behaviors, in line with our call for transparency for website owners. Since the defaults will be enforced by the most restrictive applicable rules, multi-purpose crawlers such as Googlebot, Applebot, and BingBot will be blocked by customers who have selected to block Training (either through the new options to manage AI traffic, or through the legacy Block AI bots service).

    • jofzar2 hours ago
      We had googlebot blast a random customer system and almost cause an outage, this is when I first learnt that google will use it for AI training also. It's honestly kind of frustrating also because you then search on it and theres (was) nothing on how you are meant to "correctly" tell google to fuck off, and not use it like that.
      • 20k33 minutes ago
        Google's web scraping functionality has been acting as a ddos for more than two decades. I've seen literally hundreds of reports of them attacking websites and taking them down, where there's nothing you can do but accept the traffic, or get delisted

        This is unfortunately nothing new. There's no correct way to tell them to fuck off, they do not care, and they never will do. People have even taken them to court over this

    • inigyouan hour ago
      Good. Cloudflare is a cancer on the internet. I want sites that use Cloudflare to disappear from Google, that'll teach their operators not to use it.
      • Cider9986an hour ago
        Why should I use something other than Cloudflare pages for a simple app landing page?
      • ajmurmann43 minutes ago
        Why is this?
        • ceejayoz38 minutes ago
          It's a planet-scale MITM?
          • dbbk6 minutes ago
            So you're against all CDNs?
  • tekacsan hour ago
    > For all new domains onboarding to Cloudflare, the categories of Training and Agent will be blocked by default on the pages that display ads, while Search will remain allowed by default.

    It's kind of exhausting seeing Cloudflare playing both sides of the arms race.

    I just can't imagine bringing myself to use their technology to build agents and build AI products when they're also doing things like this.

    • tekacsan hour ago
      > This also lines up the incentive model we want to foster. Losing trusted status across the more than 20% of web domains that sit behind Cloudflare is a deterrent with teeth. Trust becomes something you can carry with you, and something you can lose.

      And even more so, LLM language aside, fun and fascinating to see them flagrantly calling out their position here as if it's a positive.

  • arjie5 minutes ago
    This is fine so long as it’s easy for me to turn off. I just don’t want to accidentally lose all AI traffic one day.
  • graeme2 hours ago
    Has there been any update on the pay per crawl program?
  • ray_v2 hours ago
    So, in summary: still the honors system. Got it. thanks.
  • zzzeek36 minutes ago
    this is annoying, it makes a big deal about "Back when we announced pay-per-crawl"...

    I want pay-per-crawl. I clicked the link for it a year ago, got presented with a "request access" button, I "requested access" and obviously since I'm nobody I heard absolutely nothing. Now they're touting the link again, I checked, still that same "request access" button. I have no idea if anyone even has access to this feature.

    I don't care about all this other stuff, I want the AI crawlers to pay me cash. Because boy do those fuckers want to crawl me. I'll gladly double the size of my gerrit/jenkins servers to keep up with the load if these stupid bots want to pay to crawl every jenkins build artifact and every changeset source file on the server, as they really seem to want to do.

  • youre-wrong311 minutes ago
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