7 pointsby WarCommons2 hours ago3 comments
  • u1hcw9nxan hour ago
    Wrong WarCommons.

    it started during the 18th century in France with The Oath of the Horatii. It is pseudohistorically associated with ancient Rome afterwards.

    Ancient Romans did not use that salute.

    • WarCommons26 minutes ago
      You can call me Nick! And that's also part of the article. Maybe my wording was a little bit unfortunate, but I never stated this was actually used in ancient Rome. It's traceable through the painting you're referring to and also part of the article. The argument is moreso that it could very well be that Mussolini got the inspiration for that kind of a salute from the painting and the link with ancient Rome it suggests.
      • tallanvor10 minutes ago
        Your very first sentence is "It began in ancient Rome." That's more than 'unfortunate wording'.
      • jrflowers2 minutes ago
        > Maybe my wording was a little bit unfortunate, but I never stated this was actually used in ancient Rome.

        If I didn’t want people to think that I was suggesting that something began in ancient Rome I would rewrite the first sentence of the article: “It began in ancient Rome.”

        And probably this bit, two sentences later: “Its origins go back much further, as it was based on the Roman salute”

      • sbuttgereit12 minutes ago
        The very first sentence in your article is:

        "It began in ancient Rome."

        It's not there as a quote, it's not there as "it was claimed to begin in ancient Rome". It's just the simple assertion: "It began in ancient Rome."

        If you didn't really mean to assert that statement or suggest that it's true, then, frankly, you've written that pretty poorly.

      • close0416 minutes ago
        Dictators love to use symbolism that links the regime to the country’s ancient roots and make those symbols stand out. It’s part of the nationalistic drive. If it doesn’t exist or doesn’t fit somehow, it’s invented or adjusted.

        Mussolini would draw on the greatness if Rome even in architecture and mix it with modern to look towards the future. The lasting empire. Hitler had no such powerful local symbolism so also drew a lot from Rome for his “1000 year Reich”. And what wasn’t really Roman was just called Roman to make it easy.

        • WarCommons11 minutes ago
          That's a valid take, I agree with you!
  • ekjhgkejhgk13 minutes ago
    Maybe more relevant: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_salute

    > Although it originated during the 18th century in France, it is pseudohistorically associated with ancient Rome.

    > According to an apocryphal legend, the fascist gesture was based on a customary greeting which was claimed to have been used in ancient Rome. However, no Roman text describes such a gesture, and the Roman works of art that display salutational gestures bear little resemblance to the modern "Roman" salute. The salute had in fact originated more than a millennium later, in Jacques-Louis David's painting The Oath of the Horatii (1784)

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