21 pointsby toomuchtodo2 hours ago7 comments
  • anon70002 hours ago
    It’s surprising to me that any investor in public stocks thinks share price is related to anything other than what investors are willing to pay. If everyone thinks price will go down, it doesn’t matter what underlying value exists, people will sell off. You hold on if you think investors will wise up at some arbitrary point in the future and buy it again. Which could theoretically be related to the value of AI, but is actually only about a monkey brain’s perception of value.

    There is no underlying fundamental reason that makes stock price match company performance or value. It’s a gambling market that sometimes happens to match real financials

    • avaer15 minutes ago
      It's not surprising; anyone who thinks share price is something other than what investors are willing to pay has become someone's sucker.

      And the industry could not exist without a strong foundation of suckers.

    • jackb4040an hour ago
      Attention matters when a stock is rising, fundamentals matter when a stock is falling.
    • idiotsecantan hour ago
      The future of markets is a vibes exchange, where fortunes are won and lost based on social media engagement, viral media, and influencer CEOs.

      In the new world order the winners are not value investors and rational actors. The winners are the outrageous, the titillating, anyone who can capture a bit of attention span.

  • 4ndrewlan hour ago
  • panny2 hours ago
    There is such thing as negative AI value :)
    • ferrouswheel2 hours ago
      You'd think Morgan Stanley would understand stuffing debt from one failing company into another semi-ok company.
    • dlcarrier2 hours ago
      Yahoo's total value was worse than the Alibaba stock they owned. Their web services had negative value.
  • MadrasThornan hour ago
    I wonder where all of this money is going
  • benoau2 hours ago
    Isn't that why SpaceX "acquired" xAI?
    • kotaKatan hour ago
      Next step is to "acquire" Tesla and give himself full control again.
    • downrightmike2 hours ago
      During the irrational slap-'AI'-on-everything to juice the stock.

      Their current plan is the same as that shoe company that tried to rent out their warehouse space for AI compute.

      Same plan as Meta, other than scammers using meta AI to scam our parents out of their money. (Meta makes billions off of this use case and really shouldn't)

      • dlcarrier2 hours ago
        At least there's a real aerospace company in there. The companies pivoting will have no value when the market corrects, but affordable aerospace launches will keep on keeping on.

        If anything, the anti-datacenter NIMBYism that the AI craze is generating will far outlast the AI craze, and NIMBYism is the only thing that would make launching datacenters into space cost effective, so Space X may get a long-term boost out of the whole ordeal, whether or not they have internal success in the AI market.

        • downrightmikean hour ago
          except you're forgetting that the taxpayers have subsidized it to this point and it can't stand on it's own.

          And then there's all the competition

      • dnemmers2 hours ago
        Renting data center capacity to AI providers might be the best business model out there, currently related to AI. Surpassed possibly by hardware manufacturers.
        • torh2 hours ago
          I'm not so sure. Is there really a demand for more AI data centers? Has anyone been turned down by OpenAI or Antrophic because they are out of capacity?
          • benoauan hour ago
            I think the demand is more about what's not using AI yet, plus half the world isn't really dependent on online services and platforms yet, two huge areas of growth.
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  • expedition32an hour ago
    I yearn for the days when companies were judged on profit. Not ideology. Vibes. Hypes. Tweets. White House visits. The goddamn singularity.
    • hasbotan hour ago
      When was that?