154 pointsby Cider998613 hours ago8 comments
  • dugite-code5 hours ago
    This is a really interesting signal tbh.

    While it sounds like it already works on GrapheneOS having a corporation come out and say they won't go out of their way to break it is quite unusual.

  • jordand8 hours ago
    Makes sense for them to support this given their scale. I wouldn't be surprised if GrapheneOS secures another big Android OEM vendor (after Motorola Mobility) and the user base of the OS quickly grows from its current 400k+ to millions.
    • annzabelle6 hours ago
      I've been looking into GrapheneOS as a longtime Pixel user who is thinking of becoming a bit more security conscious. But, looking around at its current state RE: RCS and camera apps, I think it makes the most sense to stick with stock Android.

      I also have a really niche feature I rely on daily (letting me "wifi call" from one sim over the data line of the other sim), and it's really hard to tell if GrapheneOS supports it.

      If I can grab my old pixel that's stored in a box at my parents' house on another continent I might give it a try, but GrapheneOS really doesn't seem ready to be a daily driver.

      • malmeloo6 hours ago
        What's the issue with RCS and camera apps? RCS works (from what i've heard) and you get the same image quality as on stock if you install the pixel camera app.

        Not sure about that other feature you mentioned, but you can always revert back to stock if you don't like GOS. Restoring a backup is easier than it's ever been nowadays :-).

        • annzabelle5 hours ago
          My understanding was that you have to install google messages to get RCS to work and on google's end it gets finicky about device ids. I read a couple blogs where people found RCS to be really unstable on GrapheneOS even with a couple workarounds.

          If I'm going to have to install a bunch of google products onto my phone anyways, I don't buy the benefits as much.

          I also had a recent experience being shaken down by a border guard entering Australia, and if he'd asked to go through my phone, explaining that I'm running a weird privacy focused OS he's never seen before seems like it would be a great way to increase my chances of spending a night in airport jail and being put on the next flight to North America. I don't really have anything to hide and appearing like I have things to hide could seriously inconvenience my life. Barring a tourist from entering a country has a very low bar of evidence.

          Edit: Also the backup restoration is a bit more of a mess for me right now for the same reason I need the dual sim feature. I've got an American esim that's difficult to reactivate without being in America.

          • nicholasjarnold4 hours ago
            > I don't really have anything to hide

            While I understand your position, I cannot help myself from posting this response with the hope that more people will consider their own "I have nothing to hide" positions. See https://moxie.org/2013/06/12/we-should-all-have-something-to...

            edit: Linking to original HN discussion about this article - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5869394

            • annzabelle3 hours ago
              Great links.

              Yeah, it's not really a global "I have nothing to hide from any government whatsoever" but more of a "I don't have chat logs about overstaying or smuggling," which is what they're likely to implicitly assume if they've hit the point of searching your phone and you've got some special phone they can't search.

              In my home country I would take a principled stance and hire a lawyer, but in the particular case of border crossings to a country you're not a citizen of, seeming like you have something to hide can easily lead to them denying you entry.

          • DANmode5 hours ago
            RCS is unstable on iOS, too,

            for the same reasons SMS has always been unstable.

            It’s the nature of the protocol, unfortunately.

            • annzabelle4 hours ago
              Maybe I should've specified: I have seen many anecdotes of RCS being substantially more unreliable on GrapheneOS than it is on stock Android.
        • zackify5 hours ago
          Yeah I use rcs and you can use the pixel camera app if you want??

          Rcs had a bug that was fixed recently though

    • UqWBcuFx6NV4r6 hours ago
      Yep, any day now, it’ll be the year of the GrapheneOS mobile phone. /s

      As delusional as ever.

      • Cider99863 hours ago
        They've doubled their users in 2 years
      • copper-float6 hours ago
        Why are you being so aggressive?
      • el_io3 hours ago
        Pathetic.
  • AppAttestationz27 minutes ago
    Truth be told, GrapheneOS is the only third party ROM that bothers to make app attestation work.
    • Cider99866 minutes ago
      It's not a ROM it's an OS.
  • jkahrs5959 hours ago
    Seems ridiculous, but when their biggest rival can’t be bothered to support Linux… you see why they might announce something like this.
    • a21287 hours ago
      Roblox has a long history of not supporting Linux, and the game was rendered unplayable for many years. In 2022 it became possible following some Wine patches, but then they began to implement a kernel-level anticheat. Roblox initially committed to keeping Wine working but suddenly went back on that and blocked it without notice. Today, the last remaining way is through running the Android version of the game through an Android container or emulator. The TFA is about stopping this exact method of running the game though...
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    • unleaded9 hours ago
      Who's their biggest rival? Roblox doesn't support Linux either.
      • jkahrs5958 hours ago
        Let me rephrase, it doesn’t actively oppose Linux like Fortnite does. Roblox absolutely can run on Linux, even though it’s not officially supported.
        • thenewnewguy7 hours ago
          Doesn't roblox use an anticheat that prevents the game client from running on linux? I thought nowadays the way to "run roblox on linux" involved using an android emulator.
        • ekianjo8 hours ago
          Use Sober
      • Throudin8 hours ago
        I'd assume Fortnite Creative
      • vablings8 hours ago
        They don't officially support Linux, but they allow the community to continue playing using Sober. Honestly it's probably better that way
      • haunter6 hours ago
        Fortnite
  • 650REDHAIR4 hours ago
    I guess that makes sense given the type of adults that prowl on Roblox.
    • Cider99862 hours ago
      It's Roblox's responsibility to police their platform and the vast majority of bad actors use mainstream operating systems and mainstream services like Discord or Telegram. Clearly lack of privacy does not prevent crime as we can see on Telegram and Discord which are both not E2EE and yet have far more crime taking place then on encrypted alternatives.
  • subscribed8 hours ago
    Great news! I never had problems running Roblox on my GOS, but it's nice to to see the explicit, official support.

    Snowball effect (for both sides, software publishers and OS vendors).

  • matheusmoreira4 hours ago
    That's excellent news!! Hope to see more of this!!
  • YawmZolsner4 hours ago
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