208 pointsby amarcheschi21 hours ago10 comments
  • pton_xd21 hours ago
    "Last May, EFF reported that a sheriff’s office in Texas searched data from more than 83,000 automated license plate reader (ALPR) cameras to track down a woman suspected of self-managing an abortion."

    These people really have nothing better to do?

    • monksy21 hours ago
      I've got distant family members in law enforcement. They brag about the reach of their equipment to surveil. Yes, they enjoy being overly suspicious.
      • estearum17 hours ago
        Suspicious? The word is abusive. Of the law, of their uniform, of their fellow citizens.
    • jkahrs59521 hours ago
      They literally think they are doing the work of some divine creator. They have plenty of time to ruin the lives of other people because they think it saves their own.
      • estearum6 hours ago
        Really insightful comment. Couldn't agree more.

        And many of these people really do need their Good Works on the force to do the saving, because God knows what they do to their wives and kids back home.

    • cucumber373284220 hours ago
      >These people really have nothing better to do?

      Making examples out of some number of unlucky peasants over otherwise trivial deviance that harms nearly nobody is one of the key jobs of men at arms.

      Now, they may spend more time on "real crime" or collecting taxes by other names, but make no mistake this sort of stuff is stuff they (as an agency) must do if they are to properly serve the interests of their master.

    • paytonjjones18 hours ago
      > from more than 83,000 automated license plate reader

      This feels purposefully misleading. Did they manually watch hours and hours of footage, or is this the equivalent of "I searched an online corpus of hundreds of millions of documents" (I Googled it)

      • cosmicgadget18 hours ago
        Doesn't feel misleading at all, "searched data from" is pretty much your "I Googled it" without branding.

        The inclusion of 83,000 seems more intended to quantify the scope of the surveillance accessible to these sheriffs.

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      • morkalork17 hours ago
        Sure, call it that. They Googled it on their comperensive, nation-wide, unlimited access, fully indexed and integrated surveillance network (with 83,000 edge nodes)
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    • leereeves20 hours ago
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      • MrDrMcCoy20 hours ago
        As someone that does, I disagree. Laws on this subject should exclusively apply to providers, with exceptions for medical necessity. There are too many harms that come from targeting individuals to be worthwhile.
        • tadfisher19 hours ago
          Problem with that is that gathering evidence invariably leads to tracking down the recipient of the provider's service.
          • MrDrMcCoy18 hours ago
            Not all problems can or should be solved.
        • gershy16 hours ago
          Some would argue there are too many harms that occur if antiabortion measures aren't taken :(
          • TripolitianFish15 hours ago
            Either argue the point or stop talking. This is a very hard position to take seriously, twee frowny face and all, if you’re willing to sell down the river the privacy of a largely vulnerable population because some sanctimonious humanism. :(
            • gershy5 hours ago
              I am not an antiabortion crusader. I'm offering what I understand to be the antiabortion position here. By ":(" I wanted to imply "Unfortunately there are seemingly lots of people who seem to hold this view genuinely and very strongly", which was not my greatest moment of clear communication.
            • MrDrMcCoy13 hours ago
              Indeed. If bringing justice to the guilty requires punishing the innocent, what's even the point?
        • datadrivenangel17 hours ago
          this case was a self administrated abortion?
          • MrDrMcCoy13 hours ago
            The trail of injustice required to bring justice to such a case does not result in a balanced scale.
      • watwut13 hours ago
        It is more like, to men who enjoy destroying women and weaker people, this feels good.

        It is about them feeling good.

      • michaelmrose16 hours ago
        The only reasons to entertain that perspective is their personal delusions which they ought not impose on others also when an act takes place in one jurisdiction wherein all actors are within that jurisdiction it is obviously nonsense to apply a different justifications laws to the act based on their residence.
    • godwinson__4-820 hours ago
      There is no rest for the wicked.
    • nine_k20 hours ago
      They have a law to enforce. The law enforcement activity is as good as the law :(
      • BigTTYGothGF20 hours ago
        Every minute spent tracking down a lady getting an abortion is a minute not spent tracking down a murderer or a rapist or similar.
        • andsoitis19 hours ago
          > getting an abortion is a minute not spent tracking down a murderer

          but see, there are people who believe abortion is murder, and perhaps one of the worst forms of murder because of its victim’s extreme innocence since it has not caused any harm in this world.

          • adrian_b12 hours ago
            I would accept that such people are entitled to their beliefs only if they would equally believe in the extreme innocence of a chicken who has not caused any harm in this world and they would seek to punish the murderer of the chicken.

            You either accept the world as it is and you accept that some killings are unavoidable and some lives are more important than others, or you are consistent and you kill yourself, because for now it is not yet possible for a human to live without causing the death of other living creatures. (Not even a pure vegan can live without using services provided by the society that indirectly cause the death of some animals.)

            A human who cannot discriminate between just and unjust killings certainly does not belong in law enforcement or in the creation of laws.

            Even if we restrict the discussion to humans, ignoring other animals, where is exactly the distinction between killing an embryo and killing a cancer tumor? Both are humans, closely related but genetically distinct from the body in which they grow.

            Or if someone self-mutilates, e.g. by cutting a finger, should they be convicted for murdering the finger? A finger is not able to live independently, but the same is true for an embryo.

            There are many other similar arguments, so in my opinion those who want for abortions to be punished by law are not people with different opinions, they are just illogical people with wrong opinions, whose wrong opinions cannot be ignored, because they cause them to become the aggressors of other people and it is this which cannot be accepted.

            • nailer5 hours ago
              > I would accept that such people are entitled to their beliefs only if they would equally believe in the extreme innocence of a chicken who has not caused any harm in this world and they would seek to punish the murderer of the chicken.

              Why is equating human and chicken life necessary for you to accept that people are entitled to their beliefs?

              > A finger is not able to live independently, but the same is true for an embryo.

              The finger is the person's DNA. The child is not their DNA.

              In a 2025 University of Iowa single-center study (published in JAMA Network Open), out of 22 infants born alive at 21 weeks gestation, resuscitation was attempted in 17. 6 survived to NICU discharge (about 35%), and 1 remained hospitalized.

          • pessimizer18 hours ago
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        • ai_critic19 hours ago
          (amazing username.)

          You assume that a lady getting an abortion is not committing murder--these folks clearly think she is.

          (We don't need to argue about whether it is in fact murder, or whether if it is that the murder is justified or not--just understand that there are people that believe differently, and apparently they're willing to expend police resources on it.)

          • JoshTriplett19 hours ago
            > We don't need to argue about whether it is in fact murder

            That's exactly the problem: we do. Not here, specifically, but if someone's false beliefs have grown to the point that they are hurting others over them, they need to be stopped.

            • Joker_vD12 hours ago
              Do you not realize that this argument applies equally well both against pro-choice and against pro-lifers? It does, therefore it is entirely invalid and irrelevant.

              Yes, those people with "false beliefs". Ah, if only we could force everyone to have true beliefs. And it's not against freedom of thought and consciousness, oh no! We're only against actually false beliefs. That, you know, have been proven wrong. Or at least for which the proofs of incorrectness exist that we believe are correct. But since our beliefs true, this is fine.

              • lern_too_spel7 hours ago
                He said nothing about forcing. Suppose the false belief he was talking about was Creationism. Does his comment read as authoritarian?
        • nine_k15 hours ago
          As I said, the law is the problem. Since the law demands to track and investigate ladies suspected of destruction of embryos inside their own bodies, the police's direct job is to do just that, even to the detriment of other activities.

          The police themselves may consider it stupid and counterproductive, but their opinion does not count until the next elections.

          • Joker_vD12 hours ago
            The universality of "I want the rule of law!.. unless I dislike the laws, of course" stance is truly depressing. I swear, were it not for rather strict ground-level prohibitions in the constitutions, we'd all went back to allegedly enlightened monarchies ages ago. Perhaps we yet all will, things really are looking quite peculiar around the world right now.
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        • ButlerianJihad18 hours ago
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          • estearum17 hours ago
            Wait you think there are so many exceptions for rape and incest because of the political power of the rape and incest lobby?

            Holy fuck. Even for someone who has quickly earned a name for himself and his insane takes, this is a strong entry.

            Bravo, ButlerianJihad!

            • ButlerianJihad16 hours ago
              Think of it this way:

              Incest is not always consensual, and incest may be intra-family molestation or sexual abuse. In those cases, certainly the "rape exceptions" cover mothers who seek to abort their unborn children.

              However, incest is not always non-consensual, such as between ordinary adults who just cross a "bright line boundary" and have a sexual affair that they may or may not regret. So is this why there are so many exceptions for "non-rape incest" abortions? Why, to avoid being exposed to shame or having, for example, siblings need to co-parent their rather illicit offspring that nobody will talk about? What's unique about "non-rape incest" that it requires its own carved-out exception that is so often baked into all the laws prohibiting other kinds of abortions?

              • estearum7 hours ago
                You are incorrect. The logic behind a separate incest exception is that the vast majority of incest is at least coercive/groomed if not forcible rape, but qualifying for the rape exception would require meeting the significant and probably-not-achievable standard of proving rape months after it happened. And in many incest cases that means specifically "proving rape" after years and years "intimate relations," given again that most incest cases are coerced/groomed for years or decades.

                Contrast with the simple prenatal paternity test.

      • 8note19 hours ago
        within the US context, the government isnt allowed to just have any law it wants, and it isnt allowed yo enforce laws that breach individual rights
      • JoshTriplett20 hours ago
        "I was just enforcing the law" is no better than "I was just following orders".
        • rolandog19 hours ago
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        • jonhohle20 hours ago
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          • none258517 hours ago
            I'm upset every day I'm alive chief not everyone wants to be here
          • pebble19 hours ago
            You’re putting words into that hypothetical person’s mouth.
          • amanaplanacanal18 hours ago
            How does prosecuting someone for getting an abortion lead to that result?
          • G0lg0thvn19 hours ago
            Who’s that?
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    • dodger-dog19 hours ago
      Seems like sheriff was searching for missing person. Was concern about her welfare and mental health, thus the use of the cameras. You can buy Mifepristone at CVS, Target, Walgreen's and the like. I don't think they were trying to track which CVS she was going to.

      The article is misleading, but that should never get in the way of righteous rage that helps a person form identity and purpose in an otherwise existential and empty vacuum of meaning.

  • belZaah14 hours ago
    We had a lady down here in Estonia working for police. She used their extensive databases for non-work related reasons and got, very publicly, fired. She decided to appeal and lost. Through all levels of court up to the EU one. So for years, there would be a newspaper headline “remember that person who invaded your privacy? Still guilty”. Could not wish for a more impactful public execution.
  • belviewreview17 hours ago
    One reason the government surveillance is important is I've read there is a growing movement among the right-to-lifers to hold women who abort criminally liable.
  • Trasmatta21 hours ago
    It's no longer safe to even use a period tracking app in many US states now. The women I know are all cautioning each other to go back to pen and paper, and ditch anything app based.
    • Cider998619 hours ago
      Correct and you shouldn't use any health apps that don't take your privacy seriously.

      Here are privacy respecting ones: https://www.privacyguides.org/en/health-and-wellness/#menstr...

    • jonhohle20 hours ago
      Apple offers this in Health and it stays on device or encrypted in backups. I’m not sure why anyone would want this in the cloud.
    • jmclnx21 hours ago
      Most of us here knows ways around this, but many people are not educated.

      One method is get off your smart phone and boot tails and do the searches there. Maybe that is something EFF can make known. Like list trusted onion sites that have information where women can go and get help.

      • dodger-dog19 hours ago
        You boot tails to track your period?
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  • stackghost16 hours ago
    If rights can be capriciously and arbitrarily curtailed by armed agents of the state while effete judges yeet sternly-worded letters into the void, then those "rights" are worth about as much as the USA's signature on an international treaty. Which is to say, nothing.
    • Joker_vD12 hours ago
      I don't know if you've ever read any Bill/Declaration of Rights, but they all have "this right shall not be violated unless the law allows it" provisions. Many of them even have "oh, and requiring state licensing to exercise such right is not violating it" provisions (see e.g. "This Article shall not prevent States from requiring the licensing of broadcasting, television or cinema enterprises" in Article 10 of ECHR).
    • impish92087 hours ago
      > …while effete judges yeet sternly-worded letters into the void…

      You, sir, have a way with words.

      • stackghost2 hours ago
        In going to choose to take this as a compliment :)
  • throwawalien21 hours ago
    wild that it took abortion for people to notice. the same cameras have been feeding ICE lookups across 5,000+ towns, quietly, for the last couple years
    • t-writescode20 hours ago
      Education is often best achieved through spaced repetition and cross-discipline integration, especially with the intent of connecting something with someone’s personal life to sink it deeper.

      A single news article ever, or 1000 news articles that don’t impact “you specifically” are less effective than measured repetition across multiple fronts.

  • jmyeet17 hours ago
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    • none258517 hours ago
      lol got em boss

      Then we can persecute the sinners that have premarital sex, eat pork, curse, work on Sundays, operate machinery on Saturdays or any sort of other backwards hick shit these idiots believe.

      Why'd we not just let the Confederacy go?

      • ecshafer16 hours ago
        You can make many perfectly coherent, secular, based arguments for why abortion is murder. Religion is absolutely unnecessary for this argument. If you take as an axiom that human life is good, and murder is bad, then abortion directly follows as murder. For example, if you would not shoot a baby, as soon as its head pops out of the vagina, but before his body is out. Then you can see that is murder. So what about 2 seconds before that, while the baby was in the womb and in labor?, this is also clearly murder. What about the day before? Day before that? Each of these are clearly murder. There is no clear discrete point, other than insemination where it is not murder vs murder.
        • mindcandy14 hours ago
          A human is born, lives a life, ingests the wrong chemical and becomes brain-dead. Now you have a human that is alive, but the person who was that human is permanently gone. To avoid murder, are we obliged to keep the body alive as long as possible by all available means? I don’t expect you would think so. I expect you’d agree terminating the life of the human body is the preferable and not a great ethical quandary.

          I would agree that at conception we have a human life. But, not that we have a human person. There are no thoughts, emotions, memories, hopes, dreams. There is a very strong potential for a person. But, at conception what makes a person is not there yet.

          At some point in time between the human existing a single living cell and the human voting in elections and joining the military, a person develops. But, it’s not a definite transition point in time. It’s a gradient.

          Unfortunately, for practical reasons, the law must pick a definite point in time. The consensus seems to be “around the time that the fetus can be kept alive and continue developing independent from the mother using current technology.” A practical choice, for sure.

          One might argue that the official transition point should be a bit earlier. But, that’s not the core of the disagreement.

          The core seems to be that some living people do not appear to take into consideration the difference between being alive vs. being a person.

        • none258516 hours ago
          You cum into a paper towel again and throw it away - is that murder?
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    • aboardRat419 hours ago
      Why the minuses? Where am I wrong?
      • AussieWog9318 hours ago
        Genuinely, if you want an actual answer: your choice of language basically made us seem like you weren't interested in a good faith, productive discussion with the possibility of minds being challenged/changed, so people just disabled and moved on.
      • Cider998619 hours ago
        Complaining about downvotes gets you downvoted, for one.
        • aboardRat419 hours ago
          Well, it's a very lazy way of disagreeing.
          • Waterluvian19 hours ago
            It is possible to put forth an idea that is both highly disagreeable and unworthy of a response.
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