74 pointsby gregsadetsky8 hours ago17 comments
  • jstummbillig36 minutes ago
    Cool! I had codex have a go at calculating "effective price" on a few items, that prices in the assembly labor, and then also calculates the delta between price and effective price. Obviously very depended on how you value your time, but here are some items at $30/hour:

    BRIMNES storage bed + headboard, Queen $549 + 320 min labor = $709 (delta: +$160 / +29%)

    HEMNES 8-drawer dresser $380 + 236 min labor = $498 (delta: +$118 / +31%)

    STORKLINTA 6-drawer dresser $250 + 224 min labor = $362 (delta: +$112 / +45%)

    SLÄKT storage bed, Twin $450 + 212 min labor = $556 (delta: +$106 / +24%)

    BRIMNES 3-door wardrobe $250 + 189 min labor = $344.50 (delta: +$94.50 / +38%)

    ALEX drawer unit: $95 + 96 min labor = $143 (delta: +$48 / +51%)

    BRIMNES cabinet with doors: $99 + 75 min labor = $136.50 (delta: +$37.50 / +38%)

    KALLAX 2x4 shelf unit: $65 + 39 min labor = $84.50 (delta: +$19.50 / +30%)

    Formula: effective price = sticker price + (estimated assembly minutes / 60 * hourly value of time).

    I was surprised by how similar the % diff is across the board.

  • bob102928 minutes ago
    This is a fantastic way to quantify just how bad a consumer experience this is. Flat pack furniture tends to be very awful compared to alternatives that are also often cheaper and without assembly requirements.

    Everything that has come in box from a store like IKEA (or assembled in the back from a box and presented as non-flat-pack) has lasted me less than a decade. I've got a bedroom set that was built out of proper materials and it's almost a century old.

    The thing that pushes consumers toward ikea is the consistency and convenience. Most things you can load and cart home by yourself same day. Moving around furniture built by the Amish is a serious logistical challenge by comparison. Maybe you could solo it with a hand truck and some experience, but it's genuinely dangerous to move some things without help. If you aren't moving frequently, the appeal of disposable furniture begins to fade quickly.

  • selcuka3 hours ago
    I believe this table needs a column for the disassembly process as well.

    I bought and assembled a TUFFING Bunk Bed years ago, and even though the complexity of assembly is reported as 4644 on this web site (which is also suspiciously low), as far as I can tell the only way to disassemble it is to use an angle grinder.

    • xxsan hour ago
      > use an angle grinder.

      I do use wood glue on all dowel pins, so most stuff is assembly once only. Unless the furniture provides metal inserts for machine screws, I do not consider it disassembly material. It's likely to exhibit the spontaneous disassembly on its right own otherwise (or squeak soon enough)

    • designerarvid28 minutes ago
      Tuffing is “tough guy”, somewhat appropriate
    • gregsadetsky2 hours ago
      the comments on ikea's site seem to agree with you - lots of extremely negative ones about the assembly

      I did not do sentiment analysis on the comments (to modify my fudge factor mentioned elsewhere - which is the bulk of my complexity rating computation), but that could be a good next step..!

  • dagurp30 minutes ago
    I once bought a paper basket that was made out of two pieces and I managed to assemble it the wrong way. I guess I should multiply those estimates by pi.
  • blixt43 minutes ago
    Fun data sheet! I was curious about most steps per part and it seems to be TROTTEN[1] at 1.07 steps per part (excluding some other products like a toilet brush with 1 part but the steps are actually for a separate add-on to attach it to the wall).

    [1]: https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/trotten-cabinet-with-doors-whit...

  • lancebeet3 hours ago
    If you look at the item number and it begins with an s, it means it's a combination of multiple articles. If you click "what's included" you'll see what articles it consists of. The assembly documents will include the assembly documents for each child article. On the top pax, you can see it actually consists of 20 distinct child articles (some of which require no assembly).
  • djoldmanan hour ago
    Love this.

    Whoever made this, please make a "proportion" column somehow!

    I would like to know which has the most complexity per total volume or weight (it's less surprising that huge items have high complexity).

  • cisophrene5 hours ago
    LÖNSET Slatted bed base King 302.787.13

    3h of fun for a mere $140.

    I've seen more expensive hobbies.

    • kandros4 hours ago
      I have nightmares of these, I’ll gladly pay someone else to do it next time
      • microtonal3 hours ago
        I hate building IKEA furniture, my wife loves building IKEA furniture. Problem solved :).

        Same with shopping at IKEA. I know all the shortcuts in our local IKEA so that I can exit the store as quickly as possible.

    • ece3 hours ago
      This is the new version, the old one is called sultan laxeby. Easily 1.5x the amount of time.

      PDF for assembly is still up on the website: https://www.ikea.com/nl/nl/assembly_instructions/sultan-laxe...

  • xxsan hour ago
    What's the assembly time based on?

    IKEA in general is piss easy to assemble except for leveling stuff where you'd need a laser and often times another person. Some of provided tools (the famous L 6mm hex key made of cheese) and hardware (nails) tend to be very poor... and sometimes it'd need a visit to buy extra hardware - e.g. low-profile head, non-counter sunk screws to attach to the wall.

    Repairing furniture or addressing mistakes tend to be fixable by a mix of wood shavings/dust and epoxy in most cases.

    So the assembly would depend on previous experience, available tools, and free space.

    • bartread6 minutes ago
      > piss easy to assemble

      Sure, it’s not hard, but if there are a lot of steps it’s still going to take longer.

      A fully specced up pax double wardrobe with drawers, sliding doors, and lighting is made up of hundreds of parts, so does take a good amount of time to put together even though it’s not difficult per se.

      It’s also made up of many different SKUs so you get dozens of boxes turn up and it takes a little while to figure out what everything is and get organised. Again, it’s not difficult, but it takes a little time.

  • baq2 hours ago
    I’ve paid for putting twin PAXes with doors together. Two pros came in at 9 am and I was wrapping up vacuuming by 10:30. Best money spent ever
  • juujianan hour ago
    Time estimate is way off for the Smastad loft bed, that thing was such a pain.
  • ItsYan2 hours ago
    I don't believe this. The sundvik series feels way more complex than brimnes but wardrobes have the same complexity score.
    • gregsadetsky2 hours ago
      Feel free to give me some real assembly time values - happy to adjust my very simple formula of steps x number of parts x fudge factor :)
      • xxsan hour ago
        Just for reference IKEA tend NOT to include wall fasteners (or anything alike, e.g. nylon inserts) that alone is a way more involved process (incl. leveling that I mentioned in a top post) than connecting a mdf-board plate (parts) with dowel pins (many parts) and metal screw(s) (even more parts).

        Hinges need more time in general as well.

  • joshdavham7 hours ago
    Where did you pull this data from?
    • mawadev5 hours ago
      I think its AI sentiment generated data, no way someone needs 6.5h for a bed frame. I needed at best 2h...
      • gregsadetsky2 hours ago
        It’s rather a very simple math formula based on the number of steps and parts.

        I adjusted the formula by researching online what people reported as the time it took them to build some of the items. ie there’s a linear regression “fudge” factor - but it’s still an extremely simplified “model”, if you can call it that.

        • mawadevan hour ago
          Very cool then, my personal experience and experience in general with assembling furniture could be different to what regular people who never did it before have, seen it with friends
      • Maxion4 hours ago
        The time it takes to assemble Ikea furniture is very dependent on your experience with it, and if you're using an assembly driver or not.
        • imhoguy3 hours ago
          ..and space, try to assemble bulky bed in small bedroom
        • vasco4 hours ago
          Yes but this website seems to assume that one will need to Google what a screwdriver is for an hour before they start assembling anything.
        • mschuster914 hours ago
          > and if you're using an assembly driver or not

          Not a good idea on modern Ikea furniture that's basically engineered wood and cardboard. Way too easy to strip out the threads.

          • jasode3 hours ago
            >assembly driver

            >Way too easy to strip out the threads.

            An "assembly driver" or "installation driver" is meant to describe low-torque powered screwdrivers. They don't strip threads especially when used on the lowest torque settings that can barely turn a screw before the clutch-release mechanism clicks. On the other hand, the high-torque powered screwdrivers that can turn drywall and deck screws and the impact drivers that can spin the lugs on car wheels are a different beast.

            The bigger risk with IKEA furniture is hammering in the metal dowel pins (that interlock with the rotating cams) at a perpendicular angle to the flat board. You have to gently tap them with a hammer because it's too easy to puncture through the particle board.

            Actually, the majority of "screws" to turn in a lot of IKEA furniture (e.g. bookshelves) are the cams instead of typical threaded screws. The cams only rotate 180 degrees so there's no time savings in trying to use a powered screwdriver.

            • abananaan hour ago
              > hammering in the metal dowel pins (that interlock with the rotating cams)

              Are there many hammer-in versions around then? I've assembled a fair amount of IKEA bookcases, wardrobes, kitchen cupboards etc (in the UK), and those cam dowel pins have always been screw-in.

          • xxsan hour ago
            Any drill nowadays would have a clutch. Use it, so it limits the torque. It applies for pretty much any kind of work (e.g. including mounting intake manifold on a lawn-mower, but then it's likely to use a torque wrench too)
          • mawadevan hour ago
            Very true, I do it with regular screwdrivers but I watched people in the past ruthlessly overscrew and hammer stuff in, its not supposed to be done with force. My furniture so far survived 2 moves and 14 years with full disassembly and assembly in between..

            These days I wouldn't recommend Ikea to anybody with the prices and build quality, Jysk is a good and cheap alternative in germany.

      • tchalla4 hours ago
        I needed 45 min. Should it be 45 mins then?
      • mschuster914 hours ago
        Apparently there used to be a built in estimator in the checkout process [1]. I member having seen that somewhere as well, but it's been ages since I ordered online from Ikea, I always go in person to stuff myself full of hotdogs and meatballs LOL

        [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/TaskRabbit/comments/13dm7lu/comment...

  • hdgvhicv2 hours ago
    Tried 4 different items and none are listed.
    • gregsadetsky2 hours ago
      Sorry to hear! The products are from the US site, and I’m hiding products where the extraction pipeline couldn’t get all of the information (steps, parts count) reliably.

      What are the missing products?

  • ameliusan hour ago
    Could become a new benchmark for AIs.
  • netniuqan hour ago
    MCP where? /s
  • lightthemad7 hours ago
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