56 pointsby hmm37an hour ago9 comments
  • bushido37 minutes ago
    The 737 has had 14 major recertifications. The aircraft today looks/behaves nothing like the original from the 1960s.

    The main motivation for recertifications comes from commercial pressure where if a aircraft is given a new number and not recertified, then the pilots have to be retrained.

    Honestly, back when the 737 MAX debacle happened, a lot of consumers claimed that they would stop flying aircrafts if they ran into 737 MAXs. And I don't think it happened in enough numbers - or even enough to make news. Sales went through the roof, everything kept working.

    Recertifications are very common. The issue really is is the aircraft is AS different and untested as the old MAXs, and I really can't see that happening again in the next decade or two atleast.

    • kube-system4 minutes ago
      The #1 rule of marketing is that people's actions rarely line up with what they say they're going to do.
    • pudgywalsh9 minutes ago
      Consumers are indeed very concerned... that they be able to purchase £49 tickets on RyanAir.
      • Joel_Mckay3 minutes ago
        People also fall asleep in front of cruise control in cars. lol =3

        Rule #3: popularity is not an indication of utility.

  • munk-a22 minutes ago
    Just to comprehend this a bit better - it sounds like the FAA had stripped Boeing of the ability to self-recertify and actually sent inspectors for the most recent certifications. After several successful certifications and what would appear, to the inspectors, to be real process improvements, they're now re-granting Boeing the ability to self-recertify when self-recertification is allowed?

    This is well outside my knowledge domain so I'm not trying to make any statements on whether this was correct, but rather to better comprehend the change.

    • rogerrogerr19 minutes ago
      This is accurate, except “recertify” is the wrong verb. This is about signing off on individual airplanes.
  • cebertan hour ago
    This is absolutely frightening.
    • rogerrogerr17 minutes ago
      Read the article, Boeing has been signing off its own work since September. Were you frightened then?
    • bobthebob22 minutes ago
      Why?
    • cucumber373284239 minutes ago
      If the FAA is this captured/incapable imagine how bad the other agencies are...
  • markasoftware28 minutes ago
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    • kube-system5 minutes ago
      This is not exactly the same thing, this isn't Boeing being allowed to sign off on their design -- this is only the airworthiness certificate which means "this particular airplane we just built follows the spec which was already otherwise approved".
  • blitzar20 minutes ago
    Who gave whom a golden airplane ... totally worth it, for them at least.
  • brikym27 minutes ago
    All I read is that the US govt signs on off US export. I'd be surprised if there was not pressure on FAA to lower the bar.
  • shevy-java36 minutes ago
    Until the next mass crash ...
  • UltraSanean hour ago
    The EU should refuse to allow such planes to enter their airspace.
  • greatgiban hour ago
    Totally insane. Repeating the same errors as in the past and hoping for a better outcome... Only corruption can explain that...
    • kube-system13 minutes ago
      I have read that self-issuance of airworthiness certificates has been normal since the 1950s. Given that, I don't think the issue is due to regulatory corruption but an issue at Boeing which has (hopefully) been resolved.
    • bob001an hour ago
      Let's see if the EU shows some backbone or not.
      • shevy-java35 minutes ago
        The EU is like a tiger - without teeth, fur or claws. I think the only thing that works here is total boycott of airplanes that constantly unalive people through mass crashes. (Wikipedia really gathers useful data here in a simple-to-read manner: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_accidents_and_incident...)
        • freeone300030 minutes ago
          You can and should say the word “kill”.
        • worik29 minutes ago
          Interesting analogy, maybe a house cat?

          I think a better analogy is "The EU is like a lumbering elephant. You can steer it, but only if you know how. Otherwise it just keeps on lumbering"

          Airbus was a bureaucrats wet dream, and by modern Biz Bro standards should never have got off the ground.

          Now it rules the skies. Boeing, having drunk the financial Kool Aid is wilting

          Tortoise and the hare?

          • moomin26 minutes ago
            It turns out that sometimes you really do want health and safety obsessed bureaucrats.
    • bobthebob22 minutes ago
      Can you explain exactly why this is bad?