California authorizes its DMV to join a national ID database(papersplease.org)
25 pointsby logickkk14 hours ago1 comment
  • hyperhello3 hours ago
    I understand there’s a balance between anonymity and privacy and ensuring transactions are real. For example when you buy a house you’re going to get on a public registry and titles and documents are going to identify you, and it’s an acceptable tradeoff to prevent fraud as long as no one can actually walk down to Records and start manipulating deeds.

    This…this I don’t understand. If someone is driving with a fake drivers license, yeah, scary but the danger is limited and policies already have uninsured driver protection. This seems like the feds, who have not shown themselves as trustworthy, let alone their active involvement in fraud, demanding some foot in the door they’ll use later.

    • anon70002 hours ago
      At the end of the day, it’s surprising there’s not a national ID database. I mean it practically already exists (social security). The government will have systems to identify its systems.

      The real problem is that these systems exist, but:

      It’s a horrible experience for the citizens. Your SSN is deeply insecure, used as a username/identification AND a PIN code or password, and is a tiny piece of paper that can easily crumble. On top of that, you have like a bajillion different forms of ID, and it’s frequently unclear who requires what. A “driver’s” license for CARS is the most commonly used identification for practically everything, a passport costs money and isn’t that easy to get… you move two miles to a different state and everything has to change.

      We’re getting all of the privacy cons and none of the benefits. Let’s at least get the benefits.

      And also, it could totally be cryptographically more secure and private if we wanted. Like scanning to verify age being able to track your name/address.

      But in my view, citizens should get a proper ID card at birth that just covers everything. Instead of the current half assed system which has ALL of the same negatives.

      • satvikpendem2 hours ago
        Estonia has a good system, a national ID system that nevertheless is cryptographically secure such that you can't steal someone's identity.
      • popalchemistan hour ago
        Decentralization has the benefit of minimizing the possibility of a tyrannical federal government, by design.

        This is a step in the wrong direction, at a time when the tyranny is no longer hypothetical.

    • Cider99862 hours ago
      >it’s an acceptable tradeoff to prevent fraud as long as no one can actually walk down to Records and start manipulating deeds.

      It would be reasonable if they were only accessible in person, but anyone in the world can get access to these public records and data brokers obtain them making it much easier to dox an American compared to a European.

      • hyperhello2 hours ago
        I meant write access. Being 'doxxed' doesn't really apply if the information is public, I mean you could always walk up to the particular house and knock.