40 pointsby speckx2 hours ago23 comments
  • chaosharmonic41 minutes ago
    I too am a USB-C maximalist, but with a handful of differences from OP:

    - You lose me at "toothbrush." I don't want personal care items that have internal batteries at all, because they'll eventually die on me while the device itself (brush heads notwithstanding) is otherwise perfectly functional. I'd much rather keep rechargeable AA(A)s on hand for that kind of stuff. (I still haven't found a good electric razor for this purpose, though, and have actually just gone back to manual for the foreseeable future.)

    - I don't think I could live off just one charging port, but would rather just ditch USB-A entirely.

    - I'm using wired earbuds, with a standard headphone jack, but with the number of full-sized cans that are using USB-C in some way it baffles me that there aren't more or them (or any, that I've been able to find) that also support using it for audio input, so you you can play them while charging.

    • rogerrogerr29 minutes ago
      Re. toothbrush, I have to take the opportunity to give Philips credit for the Sonicare electric toothbrushes they made ~15 years ago. That thing just keeps trucking, it’s incredible. I go on 2 week trips and don’t even bring the charger, and have no worries about it dying.

      It must have been crazy overspecced, I expected it to be a 5-year disposable piece of non-serviceable tech.

      • sudobash113 minutes ago
        Also, it looses functionality gracefully in that it is still a perfectly serviceable toothbrush even if it is out of battery.

        That said, I have never had a Sonicare run out of battery either.

      • rootusrootus22 minutes ago
        Yeah I was going to say, I'm at 20 years on a Sonicare (pushing 25 now that I remember it is 2026, damn...) and it still works fine. Holds a charge long enough that I've never run out on vacation.
    • nemomarx39 minutes ago
      Why haven't phones just moved to have two USB ports?

      A slight convenience when you want to charge it in that you don't have to turn it around, you can have USB headphones and also charge, you could use more accessories...

      • jitl4 minutes ago
        I've needed 2 USB-C ports on one-port devices (phone, Steam Deck) a few times so I got this tiny 2-port hub with micro SD card reader (also has option for 3.5mm audio port instead of card reader): https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DKV7JSHC?th=1 "Satechi USB C Mobile Hub, 4-in-1 USB C Multiport Adapter, 4K HDMI, 100W Pass-Through Charging, 10Gbps Data"
      • penultimatename32 minutes ago
        Because the use case and demand versus the cost of engineering and manufacturing isn’t there. The market for USB headphones is minuscule compared to Bluetooth headphones.
      • chaosharmonic27 minutes ago
        See, I agree with this too. You wouldn't have to worry nearly as much about the random little things that are specific to just one device or another (IR blasters, the DAC on old LG phones, etc) if you could just plug in a second USB peripheral.

        But what I'm more getting at is the other way around: that wireless headphones will already have USB-C for charging anyway. And that, particularly for larger ones (that have that port directly on the device, and not in a separate charging cradle), it really seems like a waste that more of them don't leverage that -- so that, again, you could use the headphones while you charge them.

        • alterom15 minutes ago
          >so that, again, you could use the headphones while you charge them.

          Yes! And you could charge them off your phone!

          If I could dream: wouldn't it be nice if you had headphones with charging cables attached to them so that you never had to worry about losing them.

          And phones could have a convenient extra port for plugging such headphones into.

          Ah, one could only dream.

      • alterom17 minutes ago
        My XReal Beam Pro¹ has two USB-C ports: one for charging, one for Thunderbolt video output (both support data transfer IIRC).

        My other phones (Samsung Galaxy A23 etc) have a USB-C and a 3.5mm headphone jack as Lord intended, so I don't have the idiotic problem of choosing between charging or using headphones / aux cable / etc.

        There's no reason to not have two USB-C ports and a 3.5mmm headphone jack too in a device that already costs hundreds of dollars and is, on average, brick-sized, other than fuck you, that's why (aka being "brave").

        I.e., same reason that some phones (not mine) don't have a microSD card slot. Particularly those shipped with atrociously little internal memory at a time when a 1TB memory card costs a few dozen dollars.

        Anyways, unless the EU rolls out new legislation (like the one that forced Apple to include USB-C on their phones), looks like it's not going to change any time soon.

        Apple has enough money to bravely get away with whatever anti-consumer BS they want, paving the way for others to copy them for fashion and profit.

        Sure there are exceptions (which is what I buy). But they're not the norm, as evidenced by comments here. Voting with one's wallet buys very little in terms of impact.

        People still decry the loss of the 3.5mm TRRS headphone jack, which didn't really go away and never had to.

        ____

        ¹ It's an "AR processor", i.e. an Android phone without the phone plus 3D camera and special sauce

        • chaosharmonic12 minutes ago
          > My XReal Beam Pro¹ has two USB-C ports: one for charging, one for Thunderbolt video output (both support data transfer IIRC).

          I know what you're saying, but to be a little pedantic about it it's actually only USB 3.

          (I wish there were mobile devices supporting USB4; it would bring them significantly closer to feature parity with larger devices.)

    • jonhohle36 minutes ago
      For the vast majority of things I need to power or charge, dumb USB charging is fine, and I have a 10-port Anker “IQ” charger that works great for most of those things. Why doesn’t the equivalent USB-C charger exist? I don’t need 65W on each port. I just needs lots of ports for gadgets that can trickle charge for hours at night (4 kids, lots of devices). I mostly want to standardize on USB-C host cables, but no one makes a cheap device for doing that more than a decade after USB-C became a thing.
      • tempest_21 minutes ago
        The reason is because while you want to use the low end the general public does not understand that USB-C is the connector only and that various levels of power and data depend on the cable and the device at both ends.

        If you sell a 10 port USB-C charged someone is going to plug 10 MacBooks into it and complain it doesnt work.

        The best I have seen for what you want is

        https://ca.ugreen.com/products/ugreen-500w-desktop-charger

        but is not cheap at all or something like

        https://www.amazon.ca/Powered-Aluminum-Adapter-Computer-Prin...

      • rootusrootus18 minutes ago
        I've seen 1000W (or so they claim) 10 port USB-C chargers on Amazon. Not Anker, just a no name Chinese brand I am not going to trust. But they do seem to exist. Like the sibling comment says, I assume it's because people expect USB-C charging capabilities to be a lot higher.
      • benoau29 minutes ago
        > Why doesn’t the equivalent USB-C charger exist?

        Isn't this just a USB 3.x hub?

        • jonhohle18 minutes ago
          You know of a 10-port USB-C hub that can negotiate power (old USB style, not PD) without a host device?
      • TulliusCicero29 minutes ago
        I'm guessing it's because people expect USB-C ports to at least handle 18w.
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  • eigencoderan hour ago
    I don't like USB-C because they all look the same on the outside, but they're not all the same on the inside. Especially my cheap consumer electronics. Sometimes they will charge, sometimes they won't charge, but all the cables look the same, and you don't tend to know in advance.
    • namuol33 minutes ago
      If switching to a type-A charger fixes it, it’s probably the device manufacturer’s fault, not the cable. Many manufacturers that need the 5v standard you’d normally get from an old type-A charger screw this up.

      For universal USB-C power support that works with modern power bricks, you need to tie 5k resistors to two pins of the port on the device. This tells the charger to use 5v. I can’t tell you how much cheap stuff out there omits these. They cost almost nothing but they still screw this up over and over, and people blame the standard or the cable…

    • orphea28 minutes ago

        Especially my cheap consumer electronics. Sometimes they will charge, sometimes they won't charge
      
      This is not USB C's fault. It's the manufacturers who cheaped out a cent - or even less - on CC resistors.
    • CharlesW29 minutes ago
      > I don't like USB-C because they all look the same on the outside, but they're not all the same on the inside.

      Many people don't realize that USB-C (USB Type-C) just refers to the physical connector. At minimum, speed and power ratings should have been required for any cable using USB-C at one or both ends. It's almost breathtaking to consider how the USB Implementers Forum has fumbled these kinds of basic issues over the years.

    • vablings17 minutes ago
      Buy yourself a handful of good cable for charging. (I quite like the silicone anker 643) And throw everything else away in a box.

      For data transfer you can just pick up one or two thunderbolt 5 rated cables, they will do max transfer for USB4, or any other spec in the near future. The LTT true spec cables are fairly priced but there are other big brands that sell the same thing.

      Keep a shitty USB-A to C for those devices that do not have the correct pulldown resistor to support 5v 2a charging.

    • rootusrootus25 minutes ago
      Yeah maybe USB-D will get it right. But probably not. I had such high hopes for USB-C. Now I keep a couple USB-C to USB-A adapters lying around to force the charger (which is just a normal home outlet with a couple built-in USB-C ports) to speak old school USB-A charging instead of trying to negotiate PD with a shitty device that did not implement USB-C correctly.

      Yes that's the fault of the manufacturer. But the wildly flexible spec for USB-C let it happen.

      • vablings14 minutes ago
        It's not a flexible specification, its straight up bad engineering. The specification literally says if you do not want negotiation, you must add the resistor.
    • benoau26 minutes ago
      The thickness / durability of the cable is a pretty good indicator, if it's thin and flexible it'll only do basic charging if it's thick and durable it's because it's packing enough wiring to do power delivery, video etc, everything except probably Thunderbolt.
    • PhilipRoman43 minutes ago
      Yeah I have some devices that expect the manufacturer charger (I guess it's pre-negotiated to 19V or something) and I'm not even sure what was the point in giving it a USB C connector.
    • Onavoan hour ago
      I wish there are easy ways to figure out the maximum current and wattage supported by a cable. So many cables don't label themselves except on the box!
      • PaulHoule36 minutes ago
        Note there is a link at the end of the article to a device which can test cables and determine exactly that! But it's a sign of the problem that you need that thing.

        With USB-C cables I tend to throw them out unless they are premium cables that cost upwards of $20, I mean I could keep the cheap ones around to charge this or that but cheap cables have this way of going bad, like they are supposed to work if you plug them in either way except they don't, you plug your cheap device in overnight to charge and it doesn't really charge, etc. No way I could trust my wife to handle it.

        Personally I think USB got worse in a lot of ways in the 3.0 generation, like at 1.0 they designed a bus architecture that could enumerate 127 devices on a root hub. USB 3.0 doesn't promise anything and ff you start plugging in hubs to your laptop you will hit undocumented limits and find devices start dropping out randomly when you've plugged in several devices and it gives me the heebie jeebies because a mass storage device could drop out. I know mainstream filesytems today are pretty durable but still...

      • freehorse44 minutes ago
        Personally I have stopped buying cables that do not disclose this information. There are pretty fine alternatives that do, so I see no reason to take gambles.

        My only issues so far come from charging protocols rather than cables anyway.

        Moreover, stuff like how many watts a cable supports are issues that happen regardless connector type.

      • joshstrange41 minutes ago
        You're welcome: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DYJL5Z67

        This device let me categorize all my loose cables (and throw out the truly terrible ones). It was worth every penny.

        • freehorse31 minutes ago
          Not saying this device is not cool, but one can also get this info easily in a computer, if you find out what to look for. One had presented a utility here some time ago with a menu bar icon showing this information

          https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47972511

          • joshstrange27 minutes ago
            If I remember correctly, that application/your computer is simply reading what the device _claims_ it can do whereas this device tests it.

            That app is probably a good place to start but I wouldn't trust it fully.

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  • cgyvbunji43 minutes ago
    > What are the chances that I could find the exact charger needed for a GameBoy Colour?

    Your chance is 100% because the charger for GBC is 2 AA batteries ;)

    • TulliusCicero21 minutes ago
      Yeah, or you can just get a cheap retro handheld with similar stylings that will charge via -- you guessed it -- USB-C.
  • jitl21 minutes ago
    Same. Other devices I'm powering with USB-C:

    - Vacuum, $???, Xiaomi, okay (hard to clean filter): https://www.mi.com/global/product/xiaomi-vacuum-cleaner-p30/ (gift from friends)

    - Beard trimmer, $90, Manscaped, great (but I just got it): https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BQ1GZY7H

    - Shaver, $20, Xiaomi, great: https://www.mi.com/global/product/xiaomi-electric-shaver-s20... (purchased at Xiaomi store in Manila)

    - Front door palm reader lock, $299, Eufy, good (slow charge speed mitigated by second built-in battery): https://www.amazon.com/eufy-FamiLock-Smart-Lock-Recognition/...

    - Lighter, 10 for $66 after negotiating, Shenzhen Vasipor Technology Co, good but needs USB-A-to-USB-C cable: https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/High-Powered-Recharge...

  • vablings26 minutes ago
    I would happily be a USB-C enjoyer if manufactures stopped forgetting the stupid CC resistors meaning that you device will not charge with a C-to-C cable.

    It should be considered a defective design and recalled, I have been burned several times by this.

  • pluralmonad43 minutes ago
    I would like the USB-C connector was more durable. I've literally never killed a USB-A connector, but enough lateral force and USB-C just breaks. I suppose it was made so small due to mobile devices, which is understandable, but came with tradeoffs.
    • cliglota minute ago
      Yep, I will say it’s not as bad a old USB-mini connectors but I’ve soured on USB-C after too many of them have broken on me (among other issues this thread covers well)
    • fl0ki19 minutes ago
      Try the relatively recent Anker Prime cables, the ones that are both braided and soft. I haven't managed to break one yet, despite breaking several past Anker cables that also claimed to be durable.
      • sudobash19 minutes ago
        I don't have a problem with USB C cables, and even if I did it wouldn't be a big deal. The cables are cheap compared to the devices they charge. It is broken USB-C ports that frustrate me about them, or ones with worn out clips.
  • flowerthoughtsan hour ago
    I'm the same. Though I still think they could have made USB much neater as a protocol, USB-C now does everything I need for goto-connectivity.

    I recently looked at the connector and reflected on how insanely small it is. It's no wonder it took decades to get to this point, and it's a very neat physical design at a great price. 16 pins and 10A in that little thing. Amazing.

    • PunchyHamster32 minutes ago
      It took that long because nothing it does now was ever a requirement. It was created as serial/parallel port replacement (fun fact - max speed parallel port is faster than USB 1.1, at ~2.5MB/s).

      If we designed it now it would be up to 48V from the get go, USB-PD only (there is zero reason for static modes aside from fallback 5V for simple gadgets) and be just a PCIe transport . USB to HDMI could just be a single chip that does PCIe framebuffer device.

  • cestith40 minutes ago
    I agree with using a single ubiquitous power standard for small electronics and electrics. That’s almost what USB-C is these days. We need better labelling of cable capacities when there are 20w and 120w cables that at a glance look the same.

    I was afraid this article was going to say one connector for everything when it said maximalist. If it had said to kill eSATA, SPF+, RJ-45, DisplayPort, HDMI, 3.5mm audio, and a bunch of other ports it would have been far more controversial. I’ve seen people saying we don’t need card formats anymore because everything can just be an external USB-C flash drive. I’m glad this article wasn’t that maximalist.

    • jonhohle32 minutes ago
      For many things, though, a barrel jack is sufficient and doesn’t require the additional cost and complexity of USB-C. Barrel jacks have their own problems (is it inner positive or negative, what current is required, what’s the diameter of the inner and outer rings), but after that it’s as simple as it gets, both electrically and mechanically.
  • radial_symmetryan hour ago
    So many kids toys use custom brick chargers, especially remote control cars. I refuse to buy anything that isn't USB-C, I'm not keeping track of all of those.
    • russdill15 minutes ago
      The step I've taken is just purchasing USB-C to barrel in various voltages and labeling them appropriately.
    • synalxan hour ago
      With a soldering iron and USB-CD PD trigger boards, I've successfully converted a few of this kind of thing.
      • vablings24 minutes ago
        There are barrel jack USB-C adaptors now that you can just glue in place. Very useful for homelabbers.
    • riffraff40 minutes ago
      I think that's changing too, my son got some cheap radio controlled boat a few weeks ago, the remote uses AA and the boat has USB-C as input (interestingly enough, it has a weird USB-C cable with a built in light to signal when charging is done).
    • scrumbledober44 minutes ago
      I recently bought a very cheap RC car for my kids, and it was USB-C rechargeable but instead of having a port it just has a USB-C cable that comes out of it and plugs into a power brick. I love that.
  • recursivedoubts19 minutes ago
    Please, please, please: we NEED a magsafe version of USB C

    Yes, you can buy adapters, but you end up w/device warts that don't work w/normal USB-C cords and my understanding that they are for the most part pretty dangerously out of spec

    Magnetic coupling is an incredibly underutilized user experience tool

    • chaosharmonic15 minutes ago
      As much as it still pisses me off reading the Surface product head's comment that if you love USB-C then you love dongles -- while shipping a Mini DisplayPort connector -- I also think it's a waste that they didn't contribute their magnetic docking to the upstream spec.

      We could have had a USB Type-M. (Or, alternatively, Type-F -- for "magnets, how do they work?")

  • vvpan33 minutes ago
    I think one thing that we have come to think as electronic consumers, or just consumers in general, is to expect the absolute best modern version of everything (plug, AI model, car...). I think it is pure conditioning and we forgot the simplicity and convenience of things just working even with apparent downsides relative to acme version. Could USB-C be better? Probably. Is just settling on a standard so you don't have to think about it preferable? I think so. Consider USB-C standardization as an expression of a specific system of values.
  • mikepurvis30 minutes ago
    This year I grudgingly switched from an iPhone 13 Mini to a Pixel 10, largely to get the full integrated Pebble experience, but having USB-C has been a surprising and delightful upgrade to my home/travel experience.

    For sources, I basically have an INUI battery bank and a 100W wall adapter, then everything is a USB-C sink: Lenovo X1, Pixel 10, Nintendo Switch, Sennheiser headphones

  • jpalawaga34 minutes ago
    I agree. I'm looking at replacing my braun series 7 shaver, and I'd love if the replacement product had usb-c.

    what really gets me though is products that support usb-c and then don't support PD, so you end up charging at a glacial pace. The most upsetting incidence of this I've seen is a powerbank charging via usb-c but not supporting PD. So slow!

  • cryo3239 minutes ago
    I am a USB-C maximalist too. Until I find a cable that doesn't do what it looks like it is supposed to do. Then I suffer from USB-C depression.
  • rwmj30 minutes ago
    Recently bought a guitar amp which came with a cursed USB-C cable:

    http://oirase.annexia.org/tmp/IMG_20260709_123740.jpg

  • PStamatiou33 minutes ago
    I draw the line at cheap unbranded rechargeable toothbrush. I’d be too worried about fires with cheap cells. I’m happy to pay the premium for top brands for anything with lithium-ion batteries.
  • fl0ki27 minutes ago
    I'm still driven absolutely mad by how many devices are being released in 2026 that refuse to charge if they're connected to a port that negotiates USB Power Delivery. They don't fall back to 5V, they just don't charge at all.

    Devices like this usually come with an A-to-C cable in the box and that's a warning sign, but an even more twisted version of this is when they come with a C-to-C cable and a Type C charger that does not support PD. That's the only combination they tested, and that's your problem now.

    I now carry enough adapter cables that I can deliberately take PD out of the equation just to work around these devices.

  • theandrewbaileyan hour ago
    > No. One charger. One cable. One standard.

    USB-C being "one standard" is a bit of a stretch. It is the Unintuitive Serial Bus, after all. Most will charge. Some faster than others. Some will supply data with 2.0 speeds, others 3.0, yet others will do more. Some will only work with the other devices they came with. Few cables will tell you which is which, unless you have a tester.

    • klabb324 minutes ago
      There were two major flaws with the rollout of USB-C, none of them technical:

      To have unmarked cables. This should have been explicitly forbidden by spec as non-compliant. Today unmarked is the norm, even with premium brands. And the few ones that actually mark their cables have their own markings (which I assume is because the official logos are so incredibly bad). So now instead of wondering if the charger will work, you’re wondering if the cable will work.

      Secondly, the USB-C rollout was only successful on the sink (device) side. Almost all cheap gadgets come with an A-to-C cable, and chargers and PC ecosystems are very biased on the A ports for the host side. This created an awfully ugly side effect: devices are not always compliant with even basic charging. Since C-to-C should not have live 5V line active at all times, these devices don’t charge at all. I think they’re missing that resistor that tells a compliant charger to make it live. But in either case they only work with A-to-C.

  • snickmyan hour ago
    Any recommendation for electric shavers that are USB-c ?
  • jaimehrubiks40 minutes ago
    We'll we ever see usbc in TVs?
  • PunchyHamster40 minutes ago
    > What are the chances that I could find the exact charger needed for a GameBoy Colour?

    Someone's trying to talk about stuff they never used, experienced or googled ever.

    But yeah game boy advance cable is $2.5 one day delivery here in Poland

  • j16sdiz31 minutes ago
    > Using my USB-C cable tester, I can be sure all the cables I have can deliver the amount of power my devices need.

    Wait until they discover off brand usb cable with incorrect e-marker.

  • zfnmxt41 minutes ago
    > A Pixel 8 Pro (running GrapheneOS)

    > Tracker What if someone steals my bag? Hopefully the PebbleBee "Find My" device will help me recover it.

    In your review (from last year) of the tracker, you wrote it doesn't work with Graphene. [1] From the linked issue, looks like there's partial support now. [2] What's the experience like now on Graphene? Is it good enough for tracking a checked bag or similar?

    [1] https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2025/01/review-pebblebee-clip-unive...

    [2] https://github.com/GrapheneOS/os-issue-tracker/issues/4079