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  • thegrim3331 minutes ago
    Don't forget when it comes to things like this - if in this case IBM ever had an astoundingly good day, CNN would never write an article about it, and you'd never see it on HN. They choose the picture of reality to install in the reader's minds by selectively choosing what news to report on vs. what to ignore.
    • GrinningFool4 minutes ago
      It's often interesting to see what the major US news orgs - right and left - are choosing to share with their readers. You see two completely different versions of reality.
  • a_sewer_rat2 hours ago
    Worst day, so far* ;-)
  • dzonga42 minutes ago
    IBM could've been Palantir x100.

    they've the people, tech - only thing stopping them is myopic leadership.

    • krona27 minutes ago
      That battle was fought in 2012-2015 and except for a few exceptions, IBM lost. The only real advantage IBM had was in mainframes with 1-10TB RAM. For example, customers who like doing database joins on a time-slice of countrywide telecoms data. Only a few customers have that use case, unsurprisingly.
  • rwmj3 hours ago
    The press release: https://newsroom.ibm.com/2026-07-14-Arvind-Krishnas-Letter-t...

    With the caveat that I work for IBM but have no inside knowledge about anything important, it doesn't seem very bad to me? Overall profit is going to be down a tiny amount below expectations.

    • bix62 hours ago
      If I read that as an IBM investor I might fully exit. The new product flopped, growth was 1%, and the CEO sounds extremely unconfident. There are way better places to put your money given the potential for future earnings now looks incredibly weak.
      • criddellan hour ago
        Where would you put your money? Everything in the US seems to have exposure to the AI bubble. Is Europe sitting out of the AI race? Maybe some euro etf?
        • unethical_bana few seconds ago
          I'd like to know the answer as well. VTWO tracking the Russell 2000? At least you know it's an ETF that doesn't contain the big AI players.
        • Glandalfan hour ago
          COMEX is running lower on silver, their dumping is not sustainable. Could hit $500, $5000.
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        • watwutan hour ago
          US recession will spread to everything and everyone, including or especially EU.
    • khursan hour ago
      >In the last few weeks of June, we saw clients shift their quarterly capex spend toward servers, storage, and memory purchases to secure supply-constrained infrastructure ahead of expected price increases. This dynamic impacted client buying patterns. While we anticipated some supply chain related impact in our expectations, we did not anticipate the magnitude of the capex reprioritization. In addition, clients were distracted with rapidly-evolving, industry-wide cybersecurity concerns in the quarter.
    • bionsystem3 hours ago
      Well, the answer is in your question, it's all about expectations ; the market wanted more, didn't get it, and re-rates.
      • rwmj2 hours ago
        Sure, but a prediction made 3 months ago turns out to be short by a few percent at most, and that leads to a 25%+ drop in the share price? That seems weird to me.
        • bionsystem2 hours ago
          What if the market expected 25% more then reported ? Nobody "knows" what the market expects. People infer it by looking at forward valuation, company guidance, investor expectations, and many many other things happening in the world, in competition, in the value chain. And of course the market does its thing and figures that this company has x% chance of beating (or missing) by $y, and when it's wrong the moves can be huge.
        • throwway120385an hour ago
          IME you have to be true to what you predict. Whether you're predictably growing, predictably shrinking, or predictably flat if you blow your prediction that's when people start to worry that you don't know what you're doing.
      • NetMageSCW3 hours ago
        Especially when the expectations are informed by the company’s own guidance about what to expect and they are wrong. It means they missed their own predictions which doesn’t engender confidence.
  • MangoCoffee2 hours ago
    its ironic that IBM sold off its x86 pc/server to Lenovo and kept their big iron (mainframe) but now everyone is buying up pc/server due to AI boom. Dell's stock have been surging with the rest of AI stocks
    • khursan hour ago
      Lenovo sale was decades ago. IBM could have bought a pc company in 2022 when ChatGPT came out or anytime since.

      But strategically they decided against a Hardware play and went for software:

      2022- ChatGPT released

      2023 - IBM buys Manta Software Inc undisclosed sum

      2023 - IBM buys Software AG's StreamSets and webMethods $2.33 billion

      2025- IBM buys Hashicorp $6.4 billion

      2025 - IBM buys Confluent $11 billion.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HashiCorp

    • trollbridgean hour ago
      Pretty sad that the company that invented DRAM completely divested itself of actually making any, now that it’s wildly profitable.
    • HumblyTossedan hour ago
      They just need to wait until nobody is selling or can buy new PCs and are forced to use outdated equipment to use as dumb terminals to access those mainframes.
    • jeffbeean hour ago
      I think it made sense on its own terms. They retrenched into the business where they are actually differentiated. It is notable that IBM net margins have been ~15% at best for decades. It's an odd business that is huge and just trucks along without remarkable growth. It is the butt of jokes but also a top 100 company by many measures.
      • bigfatkittenan hour ago
        > It's an odd business that is huge and just trucks along without remarkable growth.

        This isn’t odd at all. It’s a feature common to most businesses that have been around 100 years or more.

        • jeffbee40 minutes ago
          Well, it's odd in that they do this sideways financial performance while also from time to time dropping a state-of-the-art microprocessor, like a real tech giant.

          You could also see that it's odd in that most companies from 100 years ago simply don't exist. The perfectly flat trajectory bordering on fade-out is uncommon. The median 100-year-old tech company is Sperry, not IBM.

  • ferminaut3 hours ago
    This was great timing for IBM employees with RSU's. Many folks had RSUs which literally unlocked this morning.
    • rwmj3 hours ago
      Great meaning bad?
      • antonyt2 hours ago
        Depends what happens next. RSUs are taxed as ordinary income at their market value at the time they vest, so it's not necessarily bad if the stock is down.

        In fact, the ideal scenario is that the price drops just before your vest and then bounces back up after.

        • triceratops2 hours ago
          If an employee periodically vests a fixed number of shares, as opposed to a fixed dollar amount of shares, this is actually untrue.

          Assume an employee's marginal tax rate is 40% and their capital gains rate is 15%. Then there are 2 scenarios:

          1. Vest 100 shares at $100 apiece. After tax that's 60 shares * $100 = $6000 total.

          2. A sudden price drop causes 100 shares to vest at $50. After tax that's 60 shares * $50 = $3000. Later the price rises to $100 and the employee sells them. Another $3000 in capital gains, leaving $2550 after taxes. Total = $5250.

          • gruezan hour ago
            >2. A sudden price drop causes 100 shares to vest at $50. After tax that's 60 shares * $50 = $3000. [...]

            This is only true if you "sell" 40 shares immediately at the time of vesting to pay the tax bill. Because you lose the 40 shares, you don't have as much shares to appreciate in the subsequent upswing. However if you prefer to settle your tax obligations in cash instead, you don't have this issue and you'd actually pay less taxes (assuming the upswing does materialize). It's risky though, because you're basically taking a long position on the stock, and if it falls even more, you'd lose even more money.

            • triceratopsan hour ago
              > This is only true if you "sell" 40 shares immediately at the time of vesting to pay the tax bill

              I wasn't aware there's a choice. That's a paycheck withholding essentially.

            • pxxan hour ago
              Paying taxes isn't optional. Sure you can invest more in the stock with external funds but that's not a fair proposition. If you were to tell me there's a certain chance of a stock going up by 100% we could also just buy calls with those magic funds and make far more money.
        • rwmj30 minutes ago
          In the UK you pay income tax on the initial price; then if you hold the shares before selling capital gains tax on any gains. However CGT is a much lower rate than income tax so I guess it could be a bit advantageous. But you have to factor that against the risk of holding a single company's shares (also the company you work for), against selling and buying into the whole market.
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        • basiccalendar742 hours ago
          can you show the math for your last statement?
  • andrewstuartan hour ago
    And then bounces back.

    Go buy it right now, profit tomorrow.

    • Glandalfan hour ago
      Awful advice usually given by red-faced bag holders, lol. Wait for the real bottom, buy it IF it starts to recover.
      • andrewstuartan hour ago
        “Wait for the real bottom” is doing a lot of work.

        Tell you what, come back here in 24 hours and let’s touch base and we will see if you or I was right.

        IBM currently $217.76 down 24.97% my prediction it bounces back up within 24 hours.

  • ChrisArchitect2 hours ago
    All over the place in Big Blue land:

    Jan 28: IBM Mainframe Business Jumps 67%

    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46802376

    Feb 13: IBM tripling entry-level jobs after finding the limits of AI adoption

    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47009327

    Feb 23: IBM Plunges After Anthropic's Latest Update Takes on COBOL

    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47128907

    Apr 30: Granite 4.1: IBM's 8B Model Matching 32B MoE

    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47960507

    Jun 25: IBM debuts sub-1 nanometer chip technology

    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48674967

  • ChrisArchitect2 hours ago
    Not sure what the title was when submitting, but current title is: IBM is on pace for its worst day ever
  • georgemcbay3 hours ago
    > IBM Stock has worst day

    (so far)

  • Glandalfan hour ago
    What does IBM even do? Something with India, and servicing legacy no-bid government pork contracts, as far as I can tell. That appears to be the focus and has been for a long time.
    • piratesan hour ago
      Make ads lying about how good at AI they are.