17 pointsby HotGarbage3 hours ago4 comments
  • awakeasleepan hour ago
    Is AI really particularly worse than anything else we do with computers?

    I haven’t seen something that really convinced me yet. In particular, I feel it suffers from the problem of comparing an electric car to an IC engine, where more goes into it then miles per joule, like the energy and environmental damage of mining the raw materials to build the vehicle.

    How much energy and time would I spend to accomplish a task without llm vs the total of my fraction of ownership of the training costs plus the inference cost.

  • budsniffer9522 hours ago
    >The food we eat, clothes we wear, and every electronic device we touch may embody innumerable injuries to the world, and all this is inescapable

    Classic. "All the things I don't want to give up... inescapable. But this thing over here I don't like? Yeah, you should give it up."

    I'll give up AI when you give up your phone.

  • mike_hock2 hours ago
    > the media and much of the population treated critics with absolute contempt. Being anti-AI feels the same as being anti-war.

    The propaganda machine is just that good. With enough money, you can control public opinion.

    • budsniffer9522 hours ago
      80% of anything I read online is hating on AI, what are you people even talking about?

      Smartest thing this article says: dont like it? Don't use it. Done.

      • lux-lux-lux2 hours ago
        100% of what everyone hates about AI is what other people do with it, so “dont like it, don't use it” is fully unproductive here.
      • mike_hockan hour ago
        80% of what I read are thinly veiled advertisements and shills pretending to be average Joes proudly presenting AI slop they "created" (so thinly veiled advertisements).
      • cindyllm2 hours ago
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  • andsoitis3 hours ago
    > Something seems to be lost on my peers today: it’s still easy to not use AI. The food we eat, clothes we wear, and every electronic device we touch may embody innumerable injuries to the world, and all this is inescapable. Eschewing AI is one thing that we can actually do to live out ethics that affirm values of human and environmental rights.

    I disagree. Giving yourself a pass on decisions around food, clothing, and electronic devices as if you cannot choose to have minimal social and environmental impact in those domains is completely false. I would venture as far as to say as getting on your high horse w.r.t. AI but not be simultaneously (self-)critical in these other areas doesn't endear me to the author's overarching narrative.

    • NoraCodes3 hours ago
      I think TFA's point is that one cannot completely abstain from food or clothes (or, in many places, at least some tech) without suffering very severe consequences, so it is unreasonable to expect this behavior. Not so AI, at least for most people.
      • budsniffer9522 hours ago
        There is so much daylight between "completely abstain" and making better choices, even if those choices are painful. I can assure you the author uses an expensive phone, and shops at the same clothing stores we do. By shear coincidence, the thing he doesn't want to use is the easy choice.