84 pointsby rolph8 hours ago12 comments
  • kklisuraan hour ago
    Just thinking out loud: given that we know positions of these satellites, is one able to use it for non-gps navigation? Either by using vision - by tracking or by using some electromagnetic specter - listening to satellites...
    • zipy12417 minutes ago
      Not an expert but I imagine the problem with using vision is the problem of angular error propagation. That is the angle-> distance error problem:

      linear error≈Rtan(Δθ)≈RΔθ

      Here linear error is the error in position, R is the distance from the observer to the target and θ is the angle error. You would need incredibly good optics and resolution to minimise angular error and thus linear error.

    • gspran hour ago
      Sure, if you're able to accurately determine angles between the Earth's tangent at your location and the satellites. That's how you'd navigate using the sun, moon and stars. I suspect those natural celestial bodies are much less of a hassle than man-made satellites.

      This contrasts greatly with actual GNSS – the whole point of GPS and the others is that you don't need to determine those angles. The only thing you need to determine is the signal delay (i.e. distance) from a few satellites. That's a lot more convenient.

  • ikari_pl4 hours ago
    I'm surprised that getting our low space to this state was even legal
    • iknowstuff3 hours ago
      There’s a lot of space in space. This is not to scale.
      • krige2 hours ago
        There's a lot of space in air, and yet we have multiple midair collisions every year.
        • csomar30 minutes ago
          We have very few midair collisions every year and they almost all happen near the airports.
        • lnenad40 minutes ago
          Surface of a sphere (spheroid) is the square of the diameter. Planes fly at ~10kms, satellites at orders of magnitude higher.
          • pgalvin21 minutes ago
            However, the Earth’s own radius dwarfs the height of LEO, so they’re actually roughly the same.

            There are other reasons we don’t currently experience major problems with collisions in space, and why airplanes sometimes do, but it is not this.

    • vachina4 hours ago
      US runs the show. Anything is possible.
      • signatoremoan hour ago
        If that was true China wouldn’t be able to launch as much as they have done
    • Dig1t2 hours ago
      Why would it be illegal? There are virtually zero drawbacks and huge advantages to these satellites. They are not rendered to scale either, in reality they are minuscule compared to the amount of available space. There’s room for millions more spacecraft.
      • sfblah2 hours ago
        I think it's fair to classify the advantages as "modest" not "huge." Yes, it's cool that sailboats in the middle of the Pacific can get Internet, but the vast majority of Internet users are still connected via fiber or copper. And, arguably, the existence of Starlink could enable governments to cease the rollout of terrestrial Internet, which is a modest drawback to the technology.

        I've also seen reports that, as the satellites become overburdened, speeds are pretty variable. Again, not saying it's a net negative, but I just don't think there are "huge advantages" to Starlink.

      • ruszki2 hours ago
        Huge advantages maybe in the future. Not now.

        I’m thinking buying a camper van, and just travel through the world. Except I need internet, everywhere.

        There are no such options. Starlink is the best, but there are two main problems with it:

        - In the countries where it would be the most useful, it’s not allowed to be used (Garmin has the same problem with their Fenix 8 Pro, their availability maps are a joke) - You need to go back to your “home” country every other month (there is a non legal, thus risky, option to circumvent this for now)

        So, that huge advantage is not here yet at all.

        • spacebanana7an hour ago
          There are huge military advantages right now. The US military will not willingly give up starlink, and they can use it in every country without permission.
          • ruszkian hour ago
            What does it give to the military, what they haven’t had already? Better round trip time?
            • pgalvin6 minutes ago
              I’m more familiar with how Starlink compares to existing publicly-available satellite internet options. Here are some brief points:

              - data throughput orders of magnitude higher,

              - the ability to use smaller and more portable antennas (e.g. ~100 Mbps with something the size of a textbook, currently ~2 Mbps and soon ~10s Mbps with your normal mobile phone),

              - order of magnitude lower latency compared to GSO satellites.

              Other constellations like Iridium dedicate large portions to use by government(s?), too, but simply do not have the throughput or total bandwidth that Starlink does. Your speeds there, on the expensive business plans that offer it, are measured in the low Kbps.

              Conversations about the net benefit of all this, damage to having an unobstructed night sky, risks and benefits to control by a single company, competitors coming in and increasing the number of satellites yet further, potential higher-orbit constellations that won’t de-orbit for centuries, etc. can get very complex quite fast, however.

  • figgy993 hours ago
    Nice site but personally I like satellite.love more and satellitetracker3d.com is cool too, there's about 500 of these all with varying features.
    • saastester2 hours ago
      That’s a good point. I understand why satellite.love stands out in terms of atmosphere—it’s the app I’d leave running in the background. Satellite Tracker 3D seems more straightforward when I want to take a closer look at a specific object, while satellitemap.space offers the most comprehensive features once you get used to its somewhat cluttered user interface. So I don’t think there’s a clear winner; each of these apps is optimized for atmosphere, user-friendliness, and data depth, respectively.
    • Cider99862 hours ago
      Which one shows the Jewish space lazers?
  • petarban hour ago
    Just wow, I didn’t realize there’s that many star link satellites in orbit.
  • hn1114 hours ago
    Half a year ago, I captured a photograph of a long train of satellites. However, when I navigate to that location using this tool, I don’t see any satellite train present at that specific timestamp.

    I wonder if there are other satellites not included in this dataset, or if I should search way further from the location on the map

    • kortilla3 hours ago
      A lot of the trackers miss the trains because trains occur within the first few orbits after a launch. So if they don’t start recording data until some delayed event, they miss it. I had this problem a lot with live night sky trackers not showing the trains despite me seeing them quite clearly.
  • delichon7 hours ago
    If you zoom in you can see them moving. Click on them to see their tracks. I'm surprised how random the orbits seem. It's too cloudy at the moment but maybe on a clear night I can check the accuracy by looking up.
  • scrollop4 hours ago
    Why are there demarcations towards the poles where the satellite density drops off? Seems Norway, Sweden and Finland have a much lower density of satellites .
    • peddling-brink3 hours ago
      My understanding, and I’m not a rocket scientist, is that it’s easier to launch east/west and it costs a lot of delta v to move into a polar orbit.
    • rolph3 hours ago
      polar orbits are hard, you have to take a big oblique track dipping into the lower lattitudes to run a trajectory that allows you to counter gravity.

      the anti collision manuevers are hard as well.

      orbits are simpler at lower lattitudes where you run a trajectory, close to parallel to the equator.

    • gbalduzzi4 hours ago
      I wanted to ask the same thing.

      There are two clearly demarcations both north and south

    • kortilla3 hours ago
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbital_inclination

      In order to cover those northern/southern extremes, more expensive high inclination orbits are required (in the US these are launched from California). They are more expensive because you’re no longer getting the rotational velocity of the earth for free in your orbital velocity.

      So for a LEO constellation you want to minimize the launches to high inclinations and keep the bulk in those juicy easterly ones.

  • Quiza126 hours ago
    Seeing them "slowly" move (but in reality incredibly quickly) reminds me of reading https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbital_(novel)
  • namuol3 hours ago
    That big zoom-out of Earth in the opening sequence of WALL•E comes to mind.
  • ultimoo4 hours ago
    are their orbits and trajectories computed ahead of time to avoid collisions?
    • 2 hours ago
      undefined
    • rolph4 hours ago
      its not the most intuitive setup but theres a lot of info available.

      click on a dot and it will show up on a list to top left, click on an item in that list and you get a flyout menu to the top left with a bunch of data regarding the satellite.

    • bagels4 hours ago
      Yes.
  • mrspacejam7 hours ago
    cool site! i appreciate satellite trackers and sometimes leave satellite.love up in the background in orbit mode with the music on at home.
  • Eduard7 hours ago
    the geosynchronous satellites fall on and bounce off earth