Section 219, the US-Israel Military Merger, Would Thwart American Democracy(www.commondreams.org)
59 pointsby slowin4 hours ago4 comments
  • snootypoot2 minutes ago
    we have been a puppet state for generations, its been warned about since the 1950's but only recently has it gotten so bad that average people have started to notice. senator jack tenney wrote a book called "zions trojan horse" way back in the 50s.
  • carefulfungi3 hours ago
    Future (and current) presidents seem unlikely to be encumbered by laws. They can spend or not spend the budget. They can fire and effectively disable lawful commissions. They are immune from criminal proceedings. They can have any personal financial interests. They can accept large gifts. They can tear down national monuments. Really makes following Congress and laws a lot less informative. ;-)
    • notarget137an hour ago
      And now everybody screams that Putin is bad.
      • bryanlarsen12 minutes ago
        False equivalence is what enabled the Trump presidency. "All politicians are corrupt liars, therefore we'll elect the one who tells us the lies we like".

        Corruption and evil are not binary, they're shades of grey. Trump might be bad, but he's not poisoning his opponents or throwing them out windows.

        If all politicians are evil, the goal should be to elect the least-evil one.

  • josefritzishere3 hours ago
    Section 219 is treason.
    • sndgndgndgndy3 hours ago
      Not if you're Israel-First.
      • hightrix2 hours ago
        No elected politician to the American government should be "Israel-first". Anyone stating such should be tried for treason.
  • apical_dendrite3 hours ago
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    • lorecore3 hours ago
      1. Israel is not an ally, Israel is not in NATO. Most US citizens do not support Israel and want to completely disentangle the US from Israel. Israel has attacked the US on many occasions going so far as to steal nuclear secrets (Jonathan Pollard).

      2. The text makes it very clear that this is a merger. A sibling comment posted the exact copy, read it for yourself.

      • apical_dendrite2 hours ago
        This is factually wrong. Israel is a "major non-NATO ally" https://www.state.gov/major-non-nato-ally-status

        Where in the text do you see anything about a "merger"? Bilateral agreements to develop technology are common between countries. That is nothing resembling a merger. There is no discussion of joint command structure, joint budgeting, etc.

        • lorecore2 hours ago
          I speak as a US citizen, not as an Epstein blackmailed politician. Israel is our enemy. To requote the text:

          > "... responsible for synchronizing cooperative efforts between the United States and Israel, to expand and accelerate bilateral defense technology research, development, testing, evaluation, integration, and industrial cooperation, by-- (1) identifying jointly developed or Israeli-origin technologies with operational utility for potential integration into United States systems and programs of record; (2) ensuring collaborative research initiatives involving government, private sector, and academic institutions in the United States and Israel, is done in a manner that protects sensitive technology and information and the national security interests of the United States and Israel;"

    • kittikitti3 hours ago
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      • apical_dendrite3 hours ago
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        • sndgndgndgndy3 hours ago
          The IDF/Hasbara has been active on HN for over a decade. Trying to write things off as conspiracy theories doesn't work when the site is under persistent social influence attack by a state actor.
          • apical_dendrite2 hours ago
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            • sndgndgndgndy2 hours ago
              No, and if you ban me I'll make a new account on a fresh IP. I've seen IDF and Hasbara types posting literal copy-pasted verbatim-identical shill replies from multiple sockpuppet HN accounts, going all the way back to at least 2013. I'm not letting this go.
              • dang33 minutes ago
                Links? I'd like to see examples of the posts and accounts you have in mind.
                • sndgndgndgndy23 minutes ago
                  The particularly egregious instance I'm thinking of from back in 2013 would link back to my doxxable info, so unfortunately you'll have to take my word for it. Disappointing, I know, but it's not worth leaking anything when dealing with these vicious amoral scumbags. I do suggest at least familiarizing yourself with the scope of Hasbara's efforts on social media sites like and HN and reddit, however, as that is public information.

                  Edit: looks like I actually had the foresight to use a throwaway in 2014, so there's no doxxable info: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8406178

                  @dang please see this

                  • sndgndgndgndya minute ago
                    @dang dang

                    Please see the above edit about Hasbara raids on HN.

              • apical_dendrite2 hours ago
                @dang you want to weigh in here?

                Not really sure how you have a productive conversation when one party says that not only will they consider that anyone who disagrees with them is acting on bad faith, but they intend to disregard all rules and circumvent any bans.

                Anyway it's pretty obvious that talking about this topic is completely pointless so I'm going to quit for now because I'm not actually a sock puppet or a paid shill or whatever, I'm just a human being who has a differing opinion.

                • sndgndgndgndy2 hours ago
                  The only reason Israeli government influence operations persist on social media is because they manipulate and exploit site moderation to their advantage.