112 pointsby brryant7 hours ago12 comments
  • kristianp4 hours ago
    > Numbers like that buy a model a real migration effort.

    Such a silly choice of words. I wish the human directing the LLM writing the article put some effort into rewriting the worst examples of LLM style.

    > But it did extremely well, and the promise was immediate and specific: builds finishing in less than half the wall-clock time, at 27% lower cost, scoring at or above our incumbent on completed work.

    The way the LLMs write (Claude perhaps?) With short phrases separated by colons, commas or full stops, is so poor and frustrating.

    There some good insights behind this article, so it's worth reading, for example below, but it isn't easy to read.

    > Earlier GPT models cached implicitly on partial prefix matches, which gave decent hit rates for free. GPT-5.6 dropped partial-prefix matching:

    • w4yai2 hours ago
      Can we get over the detective work about if the text was written by LLM or not in 2026 already ? This is a lost cause, and we could instead focus on substance over syntax.
      • liquidise2 hours ago
        Not OP but my frustrations come from it being impossible to ignore and outright distracting.

        I've found the same thing showing with Claude-coded/designed front ends that overuse the same semi-monospaced fonts, Blue/Yellow/Red palette and rounded corner borders. It isn't that it is bad, but it often isn't fit for purpose.

        You're right it wont change anything, but authors shouldn't be surprised when people who care about their time/attention comment on low/no effort pieces.

        • spongebobstoes23 minutes ago
          critique of writing style isn't made better by claiming it was authored by an LLM
          • SR2Z10 minutes ago
            No but it's a useful shorthand to describe a type of bad writing.

            I also think that people should focus on substance and not if AI was used, but AI writes like shit and I find myself retching a bit when I have to read long AI-written documents. Do they say something useful? Maybe, but when my eyes are glazing over because it's just so exhausting trying to parse what's written, I can't tell.

            I certainly think less of people when they have such poor taste that they think writing like that is acceptable.

      • justAnotherHero2 hours ago
        To me it's a useful signal not to read an article that someone didn't bother to write.

        Which is a shame as real insights are buried inside some of these articles, which if the author bothered to write in his own words could have reached an audience that would have appreciated them.

        Writing is one of the areas where I want no LLM involvement.

      • afro8811 minutes ago
        It's not about figuring out if it's LLM written though. The style is hard to read and annoying. With the kind of sentences GP was talking about it's actually harder to get the substance.
      • dandellion7 minutes ago
        Yes, as soon as models come out that can write properly, we'll all instantly get over it. Until then we'll be having this discussion over and over, as many times as it is necessary.
      • spicyusername2 hours ago
        The problem is that the second you suspect something is written by AI, its a pretty good signal that 50-80% of the text is empty of meaning. Maybe that will change, but LLMs are terrible and inefficient writers.

        Only so much time in the day, its a quick signal to not waste anymore of it.

        • lewistaariq2 hours ago
          Correct. AI == Credibility hit and it's increasing as more humans get used to feeling they are AI slop consumers, not worth the time for genuine human engagement. Human engagement costs are increasing. Amazing to read/watch.
      • 11235813212 hours ago
        It's both poor substance and style, in most cases (and this case.)

        Pointing out they generated it at least encourages them to write a shorter article that says what they meant.

      • jeremyjhan hour ago
        Evaluating substance takes time - perhaps more than was invested in the article to begin with. So these tells are very distracting because as soon as I see them I wonder if the person who prompted the LLM even bothered to read the output. If they haven't, then I certainly shouldn't invest the time to determine if there is any substance.
      • conjecturesan hour ago
        What substance? That they consume a newer model from the same vendor?
      • jraph2 hours ago
        I have a counter proposition: don't fall for this constant suggestion that LLMs are an unavoidable future would you leave the techbros alone now pretty please, relentlessly keep reminding that we still don't think it's acceptable so people don't start to think this is okay since nobody complains anymore.

        I appreciate these comments, they save me time for procrastinating elsewhere.

        • derwiki19 minutes ago
          I agree with this sentiment: it’s not inevitable if we relentlessly ostracize obviously LLM posts

          And let’s be real: I had a post this year that was #1 on HN for a while, and an LLM “wrote” the whole thing, but it was very much my writing style and NO ONE called out the post as LLM slop. If you use an LLM correctly for writing, it’s not detectable. It seems that most folks don’t go through that effort.

    • dawnerd39 minutes ago
      Makes you wonder if any of stats these articles push are even real.
    • try-workingan hour ago
      You should make sure to not read Stratechery then. It's writing is even worse.
    • icelancer41 minutes ago
      Gets a 100% on Pangram. Stuff is so distracting. Write your own posts, FFS. Or at least pass it through "humanizer" type plugins.
    • TacticalCoderan hour ago
      > The way the LLMs write (Claude perhaps?) With short phrases separated by colons, commas or full stops, is so poor and frustrating.

      Yup llmish (from now on it's called "llmish") sucks.

      But I'd say: at this point it's probably trivial to write a browser extension that detects llmish and that rewrites the worst sentences: from llmish to something less irritating to read. Heck, I could spent tokens on that: an extension that changes on the fly llmish found on webpages.

      Also I'd say there's typically no swearing at all in llmish: llmish is too politically correct for swearing. So the rewrite could maybe also use a few "offending" words.

      Offending words that, btw, are not going to go well with Gen Zers. Poor Gen Z... They've been raised with the state and its institutions (like school and then universities) hammering them with the notion that they were precious little unique snowflakes and now they arrive on the job market only to be told they've been pre-emptively replaced by AIs. And because they cannot stand a single curse word (because it's "offensive to minorities" or something), they'll be driven off by text rewritten to contain curse words. So they're condemned to read the bland, dumb, AI-generated llmish for the rest of their lives.

      Honestly sucks for them. Fuck that.

      • SR2Z5 minutes ago
        Have you ever met an actual Gen Z? They have no problem with swear words. Many of them love Key and Peele, whose humor is like 90% racist jokes.

        If wokeness actually did capture a whole generation then why even bother complaining?

      • CarRamrodan hour ago
        For me, it's Bottish
  • thiagoperesan hour ago
    We run a lot of varied, tiny, simple workflows that were previously running on 5.4-nano and mini. We transitioned them to 5.6 and noticed exactly this range of improvement across the board. In a few cases, we had improvements in classification.

    I think a lot of people miss that for many companies, a model upgrade like this is basically a one liner.

    Even if you have an amazing model router architecture (which we do for our golden flows), it’s just not worth it. Not to mention reliability and so on

  • blfr5 hours ago
    > Ploy’s agent builds and edits real marketing websites. It plans a page, reads the codebase, writes components, generates imagery, screenshots its own work, and decides when it’s done. That job description sets a very high bar for a model, and we test every frontier release against it. For the four months Opus held the default slot (first Opus 4.7, then 4.8), nothing we tested beat it.

    Well, unlike OP I haven't run a rigorous test, but I still would expect Fable to be significantly better at building marketing websites than Opus. It sure is way better at building decks.

    • greenavocado4 hours ago
      4.7 is very autistic in terms of following directions so I find OPs claims plausible
      • arikrahman4 hours ago
        Very descriptive there heh
        • aeonfox2 hours ago
          Game recognises game
  • arikrahman4 hours ago
    Migrating my workflow to Reasonix with cache hits on Deepseek make requests practically free, and that's on unsubsidized American providers.
  • bob10292 hours ago
    > we’ve made GPT 5.6 Sol the default model powering every Ploy workspace

    I would consider Luna for parts of the workload that touch actual tools. It is surprisingly capable and it runs fast.

    Sol is great at talking to the human and orchestration of agent calls, but it's just too expensive to use everywhere.

    You can get 5 Luna runs for the cost of 1 Sol run. Statistically speaking, going from one to five samples is a pretty big deal.

    • Tadpole9181an hour ago
      The problem I always run into with subagents is that they are isolated. This is a double-edged sword, as it keeps context down and lets them "focus", but it often means they must do their own research to continue to do work given to them, which eats uncached tokens.

      So depending on how heavily agents are used on what tasks, it's entirely possible that you get worse work for more cost.

      • taspeotis21 minutes ago
        I feel Claude Code has added (and removed?) a feature that forks a subagent from the parent context, so it’s still isolated but it’s more of a continuation of what you were doing in one narrow direction and then it dies. Rather than a blank slate with a prompt of what to do.
      • bob102924 minutes ago
        > they are isolated

        This is a feature if your goal is to obtain many samples. Independence is critical. This makes it easier to accurately model the uncertainty of a decision.

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  • hankbond4 hours ago
    Thank you for a dense informative article with practical takeaways. This was an easy read and it reinforced the importance of some concepts in LLM based pipeline design.
  • estebarb4 hours ago
    But what users prefer? Given this is for marketing, which results produce more conversions? From the examples shown, personally I strongly preferred Claude Opus in all cases.