31 pointsby JumpCrisscross4 hours ago5 comments
  • rafterydj3 hours ago
    is the author of this post in thread? i do not like the AI voice it reads like.
    • Cpoll3 hours ago
      I didn't notice any obvious markers, weird prose, or meandering in this one.
      • ekelsen2 hours ago
        It's clearly written by AI. I find it interesting that some people recognize it immediately and others do not. I don't know what to make of it.
        • fragmede2 hours ago
          No it's not, your detector is broken.
          • ekelsen2 hours ago
            Seems like yours is?

            FWIW, on your own blog, the most recent post also reads as at least AI helped "Navigator Theory". This sentence in particular sticks out: "They affect what the person notices, what they dismiss, what they measure, what they trust, and what they do when reality pushes back."

            The one earlier post I read does not ("toxicity of ideas").

            And fwiw, online detectors seems to agree with my own judgement here.

            • fellowniusmonkan hour ago
              I am absolutely shocked and freaked out by the number of long lived accounts on this thread that can't detect the fact that this is Ai composed.
          • eightysixfouran hour ago
            It absolutely was written with Claude. There are so many Claude-isms in the second half that it was hard for me to digest, despite enjoying the ideas.
            • fragmedean hour ago
              Like what?
              • eightysixfouran hour ago
                > Hesiod felt it. Plato theorized it. Polybius mechanized it. Sallust prosecuted it (while guilty). Ibn Khaldun put it on a timer. Five civilizations, twenty-one centuries, one diagnosis. The only thing missing was proof.

                > For most of history, “too many assholes ruin everything” remained a vibe. A well-documented, five-civilization vibe, but a vibe. Then, in the twentieth century, it became math.

                > Sallust, it turns out, was doing game theory in a toga. He just didn’t have the notation.

                > That’s not my characterization — it’s the title of the paper. And the researchers defined the term with clinical precision

                > That single belief turns out to be a genetic marker. Everything else travels with it.

                ^^ that one in particular is a VERY strong Claude-ism

                > Now, the finding inside the finding

                > The study is not a catalog of monsters [...] It’s a measurement [...] with polling-grade precision

                > Political violence wasn’t rhetorical; it was a body count

                There are a lot in here, I could keep going...

                • toddmorey6 minutes ago
                  Also: load-bearing!
                • IIsi50MHzan hour ago
                  Every one of those is also an example of how people have written and spoken since before AI existed. But then, I don't 'Claude', so I'm not sensitised by exposure.
                  • eightysixfour33 minutes ago
                    Sure, LLMs learned them from somewhere, but when you use it a lot you see that it has very specific, very repetitive writing patterns. This article makes little effort to adapt the writing away from those patterns.

                    It is like a code smell, when you see it, it is obvious.

      • jbotz2 hours ago
        It's rather full of "it's not X, it's Y" and expository paragraph followed by short sentence counter-point, and "read that again".

        But no, I don't think it's AI, I think it's just written in a style that happens to be an attractor for LLMs.

        • wilbo2 hours ago
          I also got strong AI vibes, but I enjoyed the content. I thought it was a interesting summary of topics I've read many times before and even if the content was AI-assisted, does it matter? It seems there was a strong guiding hand in presenting a popular topic in a new way.
          • ekelsenan hour ago
            It matters because I don't like the style. I wouldn't like it if a human wrote it. I don't like the style so much that I won't read things written with it.

            So maybe she had something interesting to say, but it was not communicated to me because I bounced.

        • ekelsenan hour ago
          I would believe she wrote it in this style if you can point to any of her writing pre 2022 that is similar in style.

          Does that exist? Genuinely curious.

          • toddmorey3 minutes ago
            “Carlyn Beccia is an award-winning author and illustrator of 13 books.”
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    • elzbardico3 hours ago
      That would be disappointing, as the author is a fairly known writer.
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  • rayiner3 hours ago
    It's remarkable that this article talks about Tammany Hall, Plato, and MAGA, without mentioning the throughline among them: immigration. Tammany Hall’s peak century coincided with mass immigration: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tammany_Hall.

    As Wikipedia explains: "In the 1840s, over 130,000 Irish immigrants arrived in New York City to escape the Great Famine, arriving in poverty and joining scores of thousands of their fellow countrymen who had arrived over the prior decades. By 1855, 34 percent of the city's voter population was composed of Irish immigrants. By providing these new arrivals with patronage employment, job referrals, legal aid, food, shelter, employment insurance, and other extralegal services, including citizenship and naturalization services, Tammany secured the lifelong support of the large and growing Irish population, which would form the majority of its electoral base for the next century. In exchange for these services, the Tammany political machine harvested Irish immigrant votes."

    The article also quotes Plato, who predicted Tammany Hall 2,400 years earlier. Plato saw good government as a precarious and fragile thing that could be achieved only through careful cultivation of the polity's "constitution"--not just a legal document, but the political "way of life." As a result, Plato's ideal city had strong borders and was insulated from both trade and immigration: https://spectrum.library.concordia.ca/id/eprint/983154/1/EXO....

    "In most states of course, such confusion is a way of life with which people learned to cope by various compromises, as was the case when immigrants are allowed into a country (PS, 293d). But such compromises were neither necessary nor desirable for Plato, since any policy of unrestricted immigration would destroy his political constitution (PL, 736c; 950a). Aristotle agreed that immigration was a dangerous thing because it pitted newcomers against those already established, thus creating tensions and frictions between them."

    Plato's Republic describes a society's descent into anarchy as involving the erasure of distinctions between citizens and foreigners: "the metic" (legal permanent resident) "becomes the equal of a citizen and the citizen of a metic, and similarly with the foreigner."

    The author sets up an astute point linking Tammany Hall, Plato, and MAGA republicans, but somehow whiffs the conclusion. The U.S. didn’t defeat Tammany Hall through unspecified “fighting back”—it did so through assimilation and homogenization. The U.S. enacted restrictive immigration law in 1921. That, coupled with a population boom, dropped the foreign born population from 15% to under 5% and largely erased the separate identity of Ellis Island immigrants. That neutering of ethnic attachments made it impossible to sustain political machines that were built on ethnic solidarity.

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  • jazz9k4 hours ago
    Liberals are also assholes, but this article chose to come to a biased conclusion that involves MAGA Republicans.
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    • elzbardico3 hours ago
      I learned that I don't need to agree 100% with an author's premises to find value in what she writes.

      She is a bit partisan, but on the other side, it is about time for us on the right to completely re-evaluate MAGA, and go about creating a third way, distinct from the old mainstream republicanism of the McCains and Bushes, but also critical of what MAGA turned out to be.

      • AnimalMuppet2 hours ago
        I'd settle for a return to McCain.
      • convolvatronan hour ago
        what would consider to be the essential characteristics of a third way?
    • ethanplant3 hours ago
      “This article reached a conclusion from the author’s perspective” is not a criticism of writing. It is a description of writing.

      Good writing is almost never neutral. It can be fair, careful, honest, and proportionate. But if it has nothing to say, it isn’t good writing.

    • zer0zzz3 hours ago
      “ Republicans who voted for Donald Trump in 2020 and deny the results of that election. The dividing line is the denial itself: the willingness to hold that an election was stolen in the absence of evidence. That single belief turns out to be a genetic marker. Everything else travels with it.”

      He doesn’t seem to be talking about conservatives or republicans broadly; seems like he’s focusing on a much smaller minority of people in society with very specific and fringe views. Perhaps it is “bias” to lump these people with the rest of conservatives.

      • TacticalCoder3 hours ago
        Do you seriously buy the "explanation" that "liberals vote so much more by mail-in" that both Pennsylvania and Georgia flipped even though Trump was largely ahead in both?

        Two states that, btw, were won by the Republicans in 2024. Which should give some food for thoughts too.

        I think Trump is both crazy and senile now but I also think he may be the only US president to have ever won the elections three times.

        Now I do also believe that, even in the face of cheating (probably by the same who then guided senile-Biden's auto-pen for four years), republicans should have accepted the defeat instead of trying to launch an insurrection.

        • helpful-guy2 hours ago
          Plenty of things to take issue with here, but I'll only mention the least controversial -- FDR won four elections.
        • AnimalMuppet2 hours ago
          In the absence of any legally-valid proof to the contrary in 60 court cases, then yes, I do buy that explanation.

          Those who want to claim election fraud had every chance to prove it. They failed spectacularly.

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        • watwut3 hours ago
          Yes and there is nothing suspect about liberals voting more by mail. Demographically it checks out.

          Complains about biden auto pen and biden are kind of clearly fake given Trump mental state.

        • hotdog14923 hours ago
          You've identified yourself on the metric. I'm trying to decide if that's a result of self-reflection, or its absence.
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