33 pointsby santiagobasulto4 hours ago10 comments
  • Towaway69an hour ago
    I'm kind of surprised that this is even moving the needle.

    Really, what do you expect from a "profession" that has been trying to lower the entry level to a point where anyone with access to an AI is a programmer?

    I remember when folks had to have a degree to enter the "profession" of software developer. Nowadays all you need to be a "programmer" is access to AI. And correspondingly the quality of the output has fallen to such a level that it no longer possible to distinguish between human generated or machine generated code.

    The bad quality is hidden away with euphemisms such as "release early, release often" or "move fast and break things". The constant requirement to update because updates were broken is just another symptom of an industry gone badly wrong.

    Worse still, the solution coming out the tech hubs isn't to slow down and reflect about these issues in IT, rather it's to throw even more technology at it. Technology that then also fails. Technology that is designed to cause vendor-lockin and dependence on a few controlling companies (OpenAI & Anthropic being the latest in a long line ... AWS for servers and Google for spreadsheets and email).

    Hm ... now what do we do? More of the same probably.

    • marssaxmana minute ago
      > I remember when folks had to have a degree to enter the "profession" of software developer.

      I am not old enough to remember that era; by the 1980s, when I was learning to code, it was already quite normal to get a programming job on the basis of skill you had acquired independently. By the 1990s, when my career began, there was such a demand for software developers that practically any computer-related experience would get you in the door. The past era of quality code you refer to must already have ended, because most of the code I encountered back then would be considered garbage now.

      I spent many years of my early career trying to lower the entry level to a point where anyone who could read and write English could be a programmer: this was a popular idea, part of the whole "democratization of computing" theme that came along with the development of the personal computer. BASIC was popular, GUI interface builders were popular, HyperCard was popular, there were many efforts to make software construction as easy as anything else you might do with a computer.

      > More of the same probably.

      Yes, I imagine so.

  • larose2 hours ago
    I've been tracking this as well [1], and there's indeed a clear difference between pre-2023 and 2023 onward.

    [1] https://hnjobs.mathieularose.com

  • Tade02 hours ago
    Back in 2023 when I was reading the "Who's hiring" for March I wanted to ask aloud "truly, who is?".

    I'm happy my junior years passed before all this and I don't envy those who are just coming into this field.

    And it's not just tech - all over my extended social circle there are people in various fields who were laid off. It's a crawling, largely invisible in the usual indicators, crisis.

  • zamadatix2 hours ago
    It'd be interesting to go slightly farther back to better gauge the impact of the covid hiring craze.
    • gokuljs2 hours ago
      Its not that dude. is been six years and we are still talkin g about that
  • culopatin2 hours ago
    What I noticed lately is that everyone wants a principal or staff SWE. So much that I even think the titles are getting diluted.
  • gawsan hour ago
    > I've noticed that "Who wants to be hired" posts are getting more comments than the "Who's hiring" ones.

    Well, yeah. High supply of workers meets low demand of jobs.

  • mhitza2 hours ago
    I think the number of HNers also increased significantly over the last year. It'd be nice to see some uptick stats from dang or tomhow.
  • gib4442 hours ago
    I'm tired of reading job adverts for 3 people's jobs (frontend, backend, DevOps) all in one, all lead/staff/senior but not the salary to match any of that, not even close
    • znamd2 hours ago
      you left out ai/ml stuff like agent/rags. the sad part is i'm willing to accept doing all this for a low salary but i just get rejected.
  • brazukadev3 hours ago
    Most of the money that used to go to software is going straight to Google and Meta. The well has run dry.
    • smw2 hours ago
      Why would it go to Meta?
      • einszweian hour ago
        I assume advertising. But I'd claim that the money is actually going to anthropic and to a lesser extent openai
    • yesidoagree2 hours ago
      [dead]
  • ddorian433 hours ago
    Started to reverse before ai though. With the law in US (which was reverted) that you couldn't use all software research as expense so you needed to pay tax on no-profit.

    Then with increased interest rates. Which are still active and weirdly should've caused more hardship than ~3 months lower stocks.

    And now ai, but this depends on demand for software too, which I don't how big it is, like can demand scale too with ai?

    Like when you lower electricity cost people just use more electricity.

    • gokuljs3 hours ago
      It all starter from With the law in US (which was reverted) that you couldn't use all software research as expense so you needed to pay tax on no-profit. Then you cannat hire people remotly if you do that you will loose tax benefits and stuff. then ai picked up . basically we are screwed