13 pointsby jruohonen5 hours ago14 comments
  • k1m4 hours ago
    This article, as with many like it, ignores the fact that trust in "traditional media" is at an all time low globally. That's not because people enjoy fake news on social media, it's because traditional media has failed them. There are many studies that look at bias in traditional media. But journalists within that system completely ignore that aspect (it's harder to deal with), and simply assume they just need to embrace videos or new formats.
    • _3u103 hours ago
      But it’s undemocratic to ask the people whether it’s working, the democratic way is to ask the media if they are doing a good job and then tell the people they are wrong.
  • a_c4 hours ago
    Traditional media is running their own LLM before LLM even existed. They absorbed their own bubble of information and hallucinate their narrative. I don’t mean it in a bad way. That’s how our tribal brain works, come up with stories with limited exposure to the world.
  • kreyenborgi3 hours ago
    There was researcher who said that democracies are strengthened by

    * Good libraries

    * Local news papers

    * Volunteering

    which all have to do with increasing community, seeing real people with different perspectives, gaining real knowledge.

    https://www.nrk.no/kultur/xl/lokalaviser_-frivillighet-og-bi...

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  • gadders4 hours ago
    Journalist argues journalists are important.

    But honestly, the answer is no. Traditional Media is biassed opinion wrapped up as fact.

  • homeonthemtn4 hours ago
    We can't have a discussion about "traditional media" until we talk about the perverse incentives of advertising.

    Right now all media is focused on driving eyes to ads and data harvesting and that is it. There is no "defense of democracy" or any other high minded fantasy morals at play here.

    It's a business like any other, only it's been granted vast protections from the repercussions of its actions.

  • rossdavidh4 hours ago
    No
  • throwaway1988464 hours ago
    I would argue traditional media need subsidies similar to those that exist in most democratic states for healthcare
    • arrozconcosas4 hours ago
      The press should be strong and independent. Subsidies undermines independence.
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  • oathvz4 hours ago
    No.
  • mcphage4 hours ago
    Um, has the author not been paying attention to what's going on with traditional media?
  • lizardking4 hours ago
    We better hope not
  • _3u104 hours ago
    lol. Wait til they find out that algorithms work on popularity. Aka democracy.
    • blini-kot4 hours ago
      democracy is deliberate decision-making, not selection of something to force down based on popularity
      • _3u103 hours ago
        Yes it is the deliberate mechanism of deciding by popularity.
      • ReptileMan3 hours ago
        That is really roundabout way of advocating for limiting the franchise.
    • oompydoompy744 hours ago
      The confusion of democracy with populism seems to be a trend over the past decade. Popularity is not democracy. In fact it’s often best if everyone is a little bit unhappy with whatever concession they are making.
      • _3u103 hours ago
        How can you tell the difference in a democratic system between something being popular and it being democratic?
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