90 pointsby sarah-robiin5 hours ago22 comments
  • zthrowaway3 hours ago
    The thing about back then that was so amazing is the amount of personalization you had with your desktop environment. Windows 95/98 had different skins/themes you could use. Winamp and many other apps allowed skins. You used to be able to make your computing experience your own. We've lost that and really need to get it back. There's the ability to do this with Linux DE's of course, but that's not enough.
    • cosmic_cheese2 hours ago
      On the Mac side of the fence, Kaleidoscope schemes were even more capable in terms of deep desktop theming, giving the artist full control of just about everything (window chrome, controls, icons, fonts, desktop pattern/picture). Even better, they didn’t require any installation step: double-clicking a scheme file was all that was needed to radically transform your desktop. Nothing matches its capability and ease of use even today.

      Artists did some wild stuff with it. A few fun examples:

      https://macthemes.garden/themes/c7005c70d044-Wrecked-Angles/

      https://macthemes.garden/themes/2852d54a73a3-Windows-98/

      https://macthemes.garden/themes/0219829f8a23-HolySmoke/

      https://macthemes.garden/themes/8405ec7f05e4-MacPlaza/

      https://macthemes.garden/themes/92b39d18db52-MammaMia/

      https://macthemes.garden/themes/9a95c2efce50-Scanline/

      https://macthemes.garden/themes/64bd1a86e9e6-Onyx/

      • zthrowaway2 hours ago
        Wow that's cool! I had no idea about these back then.
    • cyril_st_john2 hours ago
      One of the great things about Winamp 2 skins in particular is how simple the format is - basically just a bunch of BMPs in a zip file. Pretty much anyone could make one. You didn't need any special software or code knowledge to inspect an existing skin and see how the pieces fit together. You could make one in MSPaint if that's all you had, as I did for my first couple skins.

      (There were also a few INI-style config files, mainly to define colors of dynamic things like text. For most skins you would just need to copy the defaults and maybe change a few color hex codes.)

      • captbaritone2 hours ago
        Author of the Museum here. Agreed! That was true for "classic" Winamp skins which are what is shown here. I also took a stab at "modern" Winamp skins which were fully dynamic and scriptable and wasn't quite able to bring that to the browser. I did a writeup of that work here: https://jordaneldredge.com/webamp-modern/
      • panzian hour ago
        Yeah, back in the day I made myself one from screenshots of the in-game GUI of Chrono Trigger. It wasn't very good, but hey, it was mine!
    • ktosobcy3 hours ago
      I like the customization of the OS but I hate when the app developers are feeling creative and can't fit into (my OS of choice) Look&Feel :/
      • DaanDL2 hours ago
        The thing is, back then, it worked, because every app looked completely different from each other, and so it was a clusterfuck anyway :-D
        • gapanan hour ago
          So, same thing as today then?
    • eitally2 hours ago
      This was also true on the comms apps sides. Back in the days of ICQ & Jabber, there was a huge ecosystem of chat apps, many of which (like my favorite, Miranda IM -- which has been revived for Windows as Miranda NG: https://miranda-ng.org/about/) were also fully customizable.
      • 1gr142 hours ago
        I remember how "true" guys did their own Miranda from scratch (which as I remember even ICQ or Jabber was needed to be installed manually as plugins). But most of us (me also) used ready builds, which was also awesome
    • DaanDL2 hours ago
      It was really wild, out of the box you would get: sound themes, color themes, icon themes, startup sounds, wallpaper themes, different loading animations, am I forgetting something? :-D
      • amarant2 hours ago
        Custom, sometimes animated, mouse pointers!

        I remember them for rendering my computer almost unusable by eating up nearly all of the available compute... But my gosh it was pretty!

    • panzian hour ago
      Even Linux DEs have it less now than they used to, but there are renewed efforts to bring a better universal theming engine to KDE at least.

      It's more difficult now than it was back then for KDE I guess, because with Qt Widgets, QML, and Plasma you basically have three times as much to support in a theme/theming engine. And then back in the day better KDE themes also provided themes for Gtk, so that Gtk apps integrated nicely. How many concurrent Gtk versions are now used that you would all have to support? And sometimes (especially non-Qt programs) take some colors from the theme, but not others, breaking everything when you want to customize your theme (you get e.g. black text on black background). So I appreciate the renewed effort, but I'm not holding my breath.

    • altmanaltman3 hours ago
      I wrote a blog on this focusing on the frutiger aero style and how/why we moved from making the desktop look like a real/character-filled space to the whole "best ui is no ui" and flat design thinking. Fortunately, it seems like style is coming back in... style.

      The blog post: https://decodingvibes.com/blog/genz-and-frutiger-aero/

    • atonse2 hours ago
      Omarchy seems to be doing a really good job with just that. But like you said, Linux.
    • zen928an hour ago
      I think its commonly cited how we "used to have so much customization" and now we dont, and i see that more as an issue with motivation over missing proper functionality. Android phones and iphones to an extent are extremely customizable in almost every facet of how you use the phone, and yet outside of social influencers selling an aesthetic no one really cares to take the time to customize. Even when entire theming libraries are available to swap fonts icons colors window styles etc at a tap, even navigating and selecting a pre-made is out of the minds of most people. Despite the availability, there will still be calls to "how phones used to have personality and style" and refer to old hello kitty flip phone designs, despite being able to accomplish everything it does on a modern device without needing to buy a specific piece of hardware to achieve it.

      Why? Because I dont think most people ever actually cared about it. It became a "cool thing" to customize your MySpace or winamp, not something actually motivated by individual user behavior. The people calling for more customization options ignore the plethora of options available because what theyre wanting is a cultural shift, but everyone's attention is so divided that it feels like a waste of time to devote to something that doesnt bother you. You "miss" what you had despite never doing any work to understand it.

    • jimt1234an hour ago
      Maybe it's me, but I've kinda lost the desire to personalize my OS/apps. It's probably because I'm older and lazier now, and I have other things to do now. But also, I feel like it's not as fun to tinker with this stuff anymore. Everything is so connected now, I feel like all my OS/apps are watching me - like, if I added a Buffy bitmap to the background, I'm gonna get some sort of notification: "Buffy the Vampire Slayer is owned by The Walt Disney Company. You are violating the terms of service of your app. Blah blah blah." I'm probably just old and paranoid, but honestly, it just doesn't feel the same these days.

      The Museum is great, though! Thanks!

    • ErroneousBoshan hour ago
      > You used to be able to make your computing experience your own. We've lost that and really need to get it back.

      All of these Winamp skins work perfectly well in Audacious.

      Go on. Do it. It's not like you were doing anything else. Get it installed.

  • captbaritone2 hours ago
    Oh! Author of the project here, but not op. Happy to answer any questions.

    The code for the Museum as well as the Webamp player that powers the interactive preview can be found here: https://github.com/captbaritone/webamp

    You can also find a blog post I wrote about the project here: https://jordaneldredge.com/winamp-skin-musuem/

    • ntoskrnl_exe2 hours ago
      I have a question: It seems that all the preview PNGs and the WSZ files themselves are fetched from hxxp://webampskins.org. When I go to that website directly, I get redirected to some shady looking website pushing crypto and gambling. Can you give me some background about this?
      • captbaritonean hour ago
        Interesting! I've only ever actively used subdomains of webampskins.org, however during early testing I set a hard coded IPV4 IP as the A name for the root domain. Now it looks like that IP has been handed off to someone else who is hosting a spammy site.

        Thanks for flagging, I removed that A name record.

        • ntoskrnl_exean hour ago
          No problem, glad that got sorted out :)
  • mghackerlady2 hours ago
    The amazing foss music player audacious supports winamp skins in case anyone wants to use these on a modern cross platform program that's actually foss
  • nivals2 hours ago
    one of the best desktop apps ever made, should be in the software smithsonian along with winzip, netscape, a few others from that era.
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  • marginalia_nu2 hours ago
    Big thing that allowed this degree of personalization and skinning was that everyone was running fairly homogenous display equipment. When you don't need to deal with a whole spectrum of aspect ratios, input affordances, and DPIs, skinning and customization is something you can do in any image editing software.
    • cosmic_cheese2 hours ago
      It could still be relatively simple if the industry could agree on a few standard DPIs for screens. While still a substantial amount of extra work, raster images with clean 1x, 2x, and maybe 3x variants are a lot more flexible and easier to produce something good looking with than trying to fight vector formats that will end up looking “fuzzy” 70% of the time due to lines landing on half-pixels and such.
      • marginalia_nu2 hours ago
        Can't really put the toothpaste back in the tube on that one. Too many monitors that are like 30-40% off any clean integer scaling in the wild for that to be viable now.
        • cosmic_cheesean hour ago
          Probably true, but I think if I were writing a theming system I’d still key it off of clean multiples and have fractional screens as second tier targets. Fractional screens are going to look somewhat compromised no matter what, so may as well let themes be their best if the user happens to have an integer scaling screen.
    • DaanDL2 hours ago
      Correct, and the same goes for webpages, they were built for 15" and/or 17".
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  • VikingCoder3 hours ago
    I don't want to use it, but I would laugh if someone made Visual Studio Code look like Winamp...
  • Getchownedan hour ago
    Winamp is a blast from the past!
  • goodwillhunting5 hours ago
    OMG, you just catapulted me back to being 12 again!
    • akurtzhs2 hours ago
      Reading my skin notes thirty plus years later is a very strange experience.
    • numlock864 hours ago
      Similar experience here. I almost cried a little.
  • jihadjihad3 hours ago
    I'll have to spend some time trying to find it if it's on there, but I had one at one point called "Pimeer" where the text was rendered in such a way to look like a Pioneer stereo. Fooled me at the time.
  • a34729t3 hours ago
    I always though the skin model would be a great UX paradigm for an OS to follow. Pity we have gone the opposite direction and it is turtlenecks and "user delight" all the way down.
  • hobscure4 hours ago
    It took me a while to realize that they are fully working if you click on it.
  • rebyn3 hours ago
    Yesterday someone put a Winamp-vibe radio player on a Waveshare ESP32-S3 1.54 LCD. Now if only these skins can be ported to that too. I’m in awe!
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  • coreyburnsdev2 hours ago
    ah, brings back memories. third one from the left was my favourite.
  • wpm2 hours ago
    The Mr. Bean one is amazing
  • datakan4 hours ago
    The first internet memes were just winamp skins
  • deadbabe3 hours ago
    If someone is looking for an insane project, please make Winamp player as a tactile real world physical device, with all the same features. Maybe with a little E-ink display too.
  • red-iron-pine5 hours ago
    something something slaps llama something
  • tjpnz2 hours ago
    Why can't we have nice things anymore?