86 pointsby Tiberium2 hours ago23 comments
  • phirean hour ago
    With this news, I have to wonder how much longer bluray will live.

    Will we continue seeing new bluray releases of movies and TV shows for decades, or are their days numbered?

    The loss of console gaming presumably removes a guaranteed revenue source that was keeping Bluray pressing plants alive.

    Sales of DVDs and Bluray have been declining for years [1] [3]. Some people have been excited pushing the news that UHD bluray sales increased in 2025, [2] but that ignores the fact that the total optical sales still dropped.

    [1] https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=...

    [2] https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=...

    [3] This article has a more complete graph: https://www.statsignificant.com/p/the-rise-fall-and-slight-r...

    • dylan60426 minutes ago
      I can't imagine content owners wanting the physical media to continue any longer than they can get away with. The control they have from digital only must make them feel so powerful. At least as long as everyone continues to buy into their DRM systems.

      I've recently looked into purchasing a dedicated 4K Blu-ray player to start building a disc collection again. I'm assuming there's some pretty decent deals in the used bins now. One by one, I keep canceling my streaming subscriptions. At some point, that physical media will be the only thing left. Makes me feel like a prepper of a different sort

      • phire15 minutes ago
        Yeah, that's what I was thinking. The idea of digital-only must be very attractive for content owners, so I don't think they will put much effort into preventing that outcome.
    • miiiiiike12 minutes ago
      I saw my first Dolby Vision Blu-ray and immediately started a Blu-Ray collection. The Blu-ray player on the PS5 is fine, but a nice dedicated player from Sony blows it away.

      I would pay for my favorite albums on Blu-ray too. I wish more artists released their entire discography on a really well produced Blu-ray. NIN would be perfect for this. So many Halos, so many videos, all in release order. A real release of Purest Feeling?

      • kuerbel4 minutes ago
        >dedicated player from Sony blows it away

        If I might give you a heads up here, they are not the best. For a reference player look at Magnetar.

        My dream setup is a Magnetar UDP 900 MK II and a Leica Cine 1...

    • kuerbel16 minutes ago
      Collecting is going strong, though. My husband collects physical media, and media books, including a booklet and a nice cover, sell very well. As are special editions of more mainstream movies. Give people something extra and they will gladly buy it. I'd have expected them to go down that path, sell nice steelbooks, media books with an included art book and so on. Add a blu ray with interviews about the development process and so on. I'd pay good money for that and others would as well. Even if they sell the console only with an external disk drive.
    • ktallett26 minutes ago
      They won't be releasing new Blu Rays for decades. Outside of collectors, why would they? Unless there is a hidden market for the discs elsewhere it's not worth it
  • zache6an hour ago
    Sucks to see this right after the Studio Canal movie situation [1]. I won't be getting another PlayStation.

    [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48691346

    • MBCook20 minutes ago
      Why would anyone “buy” movies from PlayStation. That’s not their business, I would never have expected them to be in it for the long haul, just like MS did a rug pull on this a few years ago didn’t they?
  • officeplant8 minutes ago
    Rip main stream physical game market.

    Long live independent physical game market. We already see people with 3d printed carts, designing labels and making their own homebrew games for retro consoles. Some people are also producing their own big box PC games for the hell of it.

    As I continue to largely ignore AAA & mainstream gaming companies I look forward to how the indie gaming market takes advantage of everyone's growing nostalgia for physical ownership of games.

  • OuterValean hour ago
    Shutting down the stores on the PlayStation 3 and PS Vita, too.

    https://blog.playstation.com/2026/07/01/an-update-on-playsta...

    Discussion here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48745476

    • fredoralivean hour ago
      Closing the online store for older systems simultaneously with announcing the dropping of physical media leaves an interesting question for the future. Even if you’ve never bought an online PS3 or Vita game, you’ll still be able to use the systems for physical games. Presumably once the PS6 store is gone, any console is just an ornament if you don’t have access to an account with games already purchased (and how long will the download servers stay up anyway? What is the foreseeable future?).
      • dice27 minutes ago
        I was having this discussion with my 9 year old yesterday. He mentioned that a friend had Rocket League on their Switch 2 and "it didn't even need a game card". I told him that anything without a physical card can be taken away, the company that made it can decide to take it back or to stop letting it work. Compared that to my old DS which he found along with game cards for Lego Star Wars and Scribblenauts that still work ~20 years later.

        I think he "got" it. He was certainly annoyed at the idea that something purchased could just be taken back. Maybe it'll stick and he'll be better able to understand why I'll push back on a new PlayStation or any digital only games.

        • ZiiS16 minutes ago
          Be aware that many (most) new games with physical disks can also be taken away (see Concord).
        • bigfishrunning25 minutes ago
          Your point stands, but Rocket League specifically is free (this wasn't always true, but is now...)
      • AussieWog93an hour ago
        The assumption is that it'll be jailbroken well before they shut down the store.
        • Cthulhu_27 minutes ago
          I'm not convinced, jailbreaks are becoming more difficult.
          • mghackerlady22 minutes ago
            theoretically, the playstations are the most vulnerable since they run static versions of a FreeBSD derived system. the xbox doesn't really need to be jailbroken and the switch line is nearly impossible
    • mghackerlady24 minutes ago
      Shit, they tried a while ago with a lot of pushback. I hope they don't. I love my vita, and while realistically anybody playing one nowadays has it hacked and can get games from wherever they please, it sucks that the only official way is going the way of the dodo
    • Hamuko23 minutes ago
      This is why I will not be buying a PlayStation 6. I've had my Steam account for 20 years (21 come October) and I can still download every single thing I've ever bought there. Why should I invest in buying PS6 games when they're gonna be made obsolete by Sony?
  • buran77an hour ago
    Discs are less convenient so people have slowly moved to digital sales. This worked even better for console manufacturers, cheaper to drop that disc reader, and the second hand market is effectively dead which increases new game sales.

    The side-effect most people didn't consider is that you never really own a digital copy. And the most relevant part is that you cannot transfer/sell a digital copy. For everything else around ownership I know I can count on Sony to still screw it up even with discs, like disabling a disc game with some online checks.

    • mittensc16 minutes ago
      > And the most relevant part is that you cannot transfer/sell a digital copy.

      EU or any other gov can pass a law to allow that and we'll have the option.

    • fzeroraceran hour ago
      It's a weird trajectory to see because with the music industry people have started catching on and either support sites that offer more durable forms of ownership or have straight up reverted to physical ownership.
  • legitster21 minutes ago
    In contrast, Nintendo's idea to sell physical games that are essentially transferrable keys seems like a much smarter compromise.

    Part of the appeal for the Switch and Switch 2 is the stability of their resale market. It's easier to pay for a new game when you know you can get 50% of your money back on the used market.

  • Noe209734 minutes ago
    Wow that doesn't sound great.

    We won't own games anymore, we won't be able to sell/acquire used games, we won't be able to play disconnected.

    I'm curious whether Nintendo will be following the same path.

    • phire9 minutes ago
      TBH, 100% offline gaming has been problematic since day-one patches became the norm in the PS3 era. Sure, you might be play version 1.0 of the game from the disc, but often the experience was pretty compromised without the patch, often very buggy, or sometimes even features missing.

      And the PS5 is meant to be able to play digitally downloaded while disconnected (at least the ones you own, not the PS+ games). It's just the implementation is little buggy, it sometimes breaks for some people and you get a bunch of vocal people complaining about how it doesn't work.

      So IMO, you aren't losing much there. The digital-only experience isn't that different from needing to have internet to download a day-one patch.

      It's the used game sales that are the biggest loss from this move.

    • Cthulhu_25 minutes ago
      > I'm curious whether Nintendo will be following the same path.

      Probably, they're already heavily invested in digital-only games, e.g. virtual console, or selling game boxes with just a download code.

      But this goes back years already, physical copies of their games have remained expensive for ages. Relatively modern and/or very common "everyone has these" games like various pokemon games going for full price to 2-3x that.

  • keyringlightan hour ago
    I wonder if this signals anything about Sony's attitude to blu-ray movies. Aside from games one of the reasons their consoles have sold well is because they've been excellent physical media players. The PS2 for DVDs and the PS3 onwards for blu-ray.

    If I remember well PS3 was during the period where blu-ray lasers were production constrained and more expensive with Sony prioritizing their own devices, so the console was price and availability competitive against dedicated disc players by third parties. And the PS3 had pretty long term update/support. I'm fairly sure that had an impact on the financial side as it was in the era when console hardware was subsidized on the expectation they'd get a slice of game sales, except those consoles bought for primarily for movies didn't reimburse them so well.

    • fredoralivean hour ago
      I’m not sure if Sony has been pushing their video disc formats with PlayStations for a while. PS4 Pro was the “4K” upgrade over PS4, but didn’t support UHD Blu-Ray. And there’s been a disc drive-less PS5 since launch.

      Stuff like Blu-Ray seems to be becoming a Laserdisc like enthusiasts niche system, I don’t think it’s been a big thing for Sony for a while.

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  • K3UL33 minutes ago
    One of the major reasons I upgraded to ps5 was because it would also allow me to play blu-ray movies.

    If the PS6 comes out with no disc player at all, not a chance I buy it.

    Also, that's a definite middle finger to second hand and physical stores then ? Hoping MS will make a bet in the opposite direction (but I don't see it) and the players will follow..

    • Cthulhu_28 minutes ago
      Ironic that you mention MS because also ironically, around the PS4 launch there was a lot of brouhaha about MS not allowing transfering games, while for the PS4 launch video they showed how easy it is to transfer games (just hand over a disk).

      I hate it. I hate digital only games. I get that the numbers and reality are against my wishes but that doesn't make it any better. I want to unpack my console from storage in 20 years and play the games I bought for it even if the company or servers no longer exist.

  • fredoralivean hour ago
    Well, I guess that answers the question of whether the PS6 will have an awkward snap on disc drive.
    • bigfishrunning24 minutes ago
      to be fair, the "awkward snap-on disc drive" on ps5 isn't really awkward -- it's a one time install and is now indistinguishable from a built-in drive.
  • jespinelan hour ago
    I thought CDs were (mostly) no longer being produced. I'm surprised this decision was not made years ago.
    • Shankan hour ago
      They're Blu-Ray discs.
  • sylens2 hours ago
    From a business perspective, I understand this. The physical games sections of most retailers are pitiful these days - take a walk down the PS5 aisle in Target or Best Buy for example. They also have a need to shore up margins if they want to keep subsidizing the hardware during the component crisis. And their biggest competitor, XBox, is in the process of pivoting out of their current pivot and apparently is about to layoff a massive chunk of its workforce.

    But at the end of the day, part of what makes a console a console to me is the ability to swap games with friends. If I can't do that easily, why wouldn't I just use Steam?

  • kakadu10 minutes ago
    This is another opportunity for the EU to reign in and create a proper definition of ownership so that this does not pass.

    Of course, it would be interesting to hear the freemarketeering on this site and how people should "vote with their wallet" and sites/movements such as $freeplaystation.whatever sprouting pseudopolemic nonsense.

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  • koeliga28 minutes ago
    So this pretty much confirms that GTA 6 won't be sold as disc later on
    • Imustaskforhelp15 minutes ago
      Oh man, I had forgotten about GTA 6 releasing on Playstation earlier than PC's. So all the hype around GTA 6 and the fact that people have been waiting for so long would drive up the demand of newer playstations and with all the 4 changes that I talked about in one of my other comments[0]

      > No physical disc + shutting down online stores + deleting movies from customers accounts + dynamic pricing.

      This basically becomes a sunk cost fallacy, both in buying the games or subscription models.

      Because there are people who want a game so badly and want to play on release date and that game has partnered up with a console company that they will only release (first) on some consoles with the 4 factors discussed above. It leads to an incredible sunk-cost fallacy which somewhat capitalizes on the fact of the hype of the game and they are looking for any and every ways to capitalize on it for as long as possible.

      I imagine some Playstation subscription yearly discount might also happen near the launch of GTA 6 so that they could tie users up to an yearly subscription perhaps.

      [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48746439

  • nsbkan hour ago
    Bummer! Based on the current trajectory, PS6 will be the first non-handheld PS I will not own.
  • ReptileMan24 minutes ago
    AAA game industry is in such a state, that not justifying piracy becomes harder and harder with each day.
  • Imustaskforhelp23 minutes ago
    So physical disc production is ending for new games on Playstation.

    At the same time, as @outervale has said: they are shutting down PS3 and PS Vita online stores as well.

    AND at the same time as @zache has said & previous discussions about PlayStation Deleting 551 Movies from Customers' Accounts.

    WHILE at the same time, Dynamic pricing[0] is occuring where people who buy games are charged more because PS expects them to be able to cough up more money from my understanding

    Combining all of this: No physical disc + shutting down online stores + deleting movies from customers accounts + dynamic pricing.

    These might basically just be planned obsolence devices while trying to extract as much profits as humanly possible from your wallets.

    I remember the dynamic pricing debate and that some people were somewhat tolerable of that, but I think that being tolerable of that is what is causing more and more precedents and an overall situation has occur where things are just increasingly more actively consumer-hostile.

    [0]: https://www.ign.com/articles/sony-reportedly-testing-dynamic...

  • bilekasan hour ago
    This is ridiculous, and not long after they've been updating their ToS to require you to sign in and phone home in order to continue to be allowed access to your digital library.

    > In response to shifting trends in consumer preference.

    I hate this corporate speak. If buying isn't ownership, then pirating isn't stealing.

    • bigfishrunning19 minutes ago
      > If buying isn't ownership, then pirating isn't stealing.

      You're not buying a game, you're buying a license to play the game. If you don't agree with the terms, don't buy that license, but that doesn't mean you're entitled to commit copyright infringement.

      If I buy a movie ticket, that means I get to watch the movie once. That's the agreement.

  • kuerbelan hour ago
    Aaaand I'm not going to buy a PS6.

    On pc there is some competition at least between Steam, epic, gog (the odd one out but I like it) and such. I have no interest in buying a vendor specific computer with only one storefront and no competition.

    • Cthulhu_23 minutes ago
      But those are still digital-only platforms, with a chance of them disappearing. Epic is the biggest risk there, I think.

      GoG is an interesting case though, it has loads of games that by and large were available on physical media, but because said physical media is either gone, broken, or in the hands of collectors, getting a physical copy of those games is difficult now. Them being a digital platform re-enables people to play these games.

    • bigfishrunning22 minutes ago
      It's important to note that that vendor specific computer is 1) cheaper then a PC that can play equivalent games, and 2) much more reliable (i never have to mess with drivers, updates just work, etc...)
      • fluoridation13 minutes ago
        >cheaper then a PC that can play equivalent games

        There are no savings to be had. What you don't pay one way you pay another.

        >much more reliable (i never have to mess with drivers, updates just work, etc...)

        So do you not own a computer? How do you avoid dealing with those issues, otherwise?

        • bigfishrunninga minute ago
          I own several computers, and I use them for work. Running games on them means either running windows or running an emulation layer, and both solutions are unreliable messes. High end graphics cards are generally very expensive and have required binary-blobs that are really hard to troubleshoot, and (in my experience) always have problems.

          If I want to play a video game, I turn on my PlayStation and it just works and I don't have to think about it or troubleshoot anything. This has not been my experience with PC gaming.

  • makyavelistan hour ago
    Step by step...
  • deadbabe35 minutes ago
    I used to think this was bad, but honestly? It’s just games. Some people buy tons of digital games they literally never even play. If they were physical games, imagine all the e-waste.

    And what’s the point of physical games? So you can play the game in 30 years from now on some retro console you’ve diligently maintained?

    Get over it, you’re not going to do any of that. There’s no mythical third act where you go through some library of physical CDs and reminisce about an old ass game. There’s constantly new games coming out all the time, you will just keep buying and buying games, you play them for a bit, and then you move on. It’s not “buy it for life”, it’s buy it for right now have fun and move on. Live in the present, don’t worry about the future.

    Even people who have retro consoles and collect physical copies seem to mostly do it for collector purposes. When they die, their kids will send all that to a dump or pawn it off. Pointless.

    • RiverCrochet14 minutes ago
      I agree with most of this, which is why emulation is generally better unless you specifically want to operate/show off a museum.

      Maybe things will be like the Nintendo BS-X where people will reverse engineer consoles with games downloaded to extract the game from it.

      That being said I do have a physical Atari 2600 with a few games. Astroblast with paddles is still a fun game today, and Video Olympics (the Atari VCS version of Pong) is extremely fun to bring out at parties.

  • rvzan hour ago
    Unsurprising. [0] This is even before 2030 and you will own nothing and be happy.

    Get ready for your games to be delisted [1] as you never owned them in the first place (unless you have the disc)

    [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33362792

    [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32049626

    • mDyJzDPmBdGan hour ago
      > unless you have the disc

      Is that really enough? AFAIK many PC games with SecuROM won't ever work without crack, as that entire DRM is incompatible with modern OSes.

      • Wowfunhappyan hour ago
        It's enough on consoles.

        On PC, discs (when they even exist, which is rare) have basically just been digital keys for a long time.

    • croesan hour ago
      There is a simply countermeasure.

      Don’t buy their consoles and games