162 pointsby tzs5 hours ago17 comments
  • andsoitis3 hours ago
    It turns out eventually you have to deal with reality.
    • roxolotlan hour ago
      > Before writing off the totalitarian world as a nightmare that can't come true, just remember that in 1925 the world of today would have seemed a nightmare that couldn't come true. Against that shifting phantasmagoric world in which black may be white tomorrow and yesterday's weather can be changed by decree, there are in reality only two safeguards. One is that however much you deny the truth, the truth goes on existing, as it were, behind your back, and you consequently can't violate it in ways that impair military efficiency. The other is that so long as some parts of the earth remain unconquered, the liberal tradition can be kept alive. — Orwell

      https://www.orwellfoundation.com/the-orwell-foundation/orwel...

    • neilv3 hours ago
      • andai2 hours ago
        > The aide said that guys like me were 'in what we call the reality-based community,' which he defined as people who 'believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.' [...] 'That's not the way the world really works anymore,' he continued. 'We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors...and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do'.
        • esafak2 hours ago
          I'm still waiting to hear that soliloquy in a movie.
          • CamperBob226 minutes ago
            It's pretty much a rewrite of a famous monologue in Network, for those who haven't seen that before. At least in tone and delivery.
        • actionfromafar2 hours ago
          The actors of the empire are dismantling said empire. It will be studied, not least by its adversaries.
      • Waterluvianan hour ago
        > 'We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality‘

        The American reality of stepping on rake after rake after rake. A gag that meanders repeatedly between funny and sad.

    • michaelteter2 hours ago
      Maybe. But long before that, many other people have to deal with the consequences of a few others' disbelief in reality.
    • Arubisan hour ago
      “Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.”
      • analog837431 minutes ago
        all form is interpretation
    • pixelpoet2 hours ago
      "It is a well-known fact that reality has liberal bias." - Stephen Colbert
    • anon-39882 hours ago
      Hot take but we should let reality deal the blow. There's so many things that people think is redundant and unnecessary but actually have an army of people and machination that are working tirelessly to curb it. Only to called bloat and the deep state.

      Vaccines should not be given automatically, because that causes people to not think about why they need it. They think that it is something is imposed on them. But if they always have to request it (and the request is quick and always given, or super cheap at the shop) then people would have to know to get vaccinated. Parents will talk to each other about which vaccine is necessary (and its going to be all of them because they will know someone that died from it)

      This is true for any crisis really. For example, lets say that you are managing someone's finances or health, you found out that they are in a horrible situation. But then, you discovered a solution that does not require their attention. So you work tirelessly behind the scene to fix their finances or develop new cure. Voila! Problem solved. Or is it? You have not fixed the fundamental problem that they are an obese with obese lifestyle.

      • annzabellean hour ago
        If millions more people are obese than were obese 50 years ago, clearly something has changed systemically that has made people more sedentary and eating more. People 50 years ago were not paying more conscious attention to their health than people today, but the background environment of available food and sedentary jobs/entertainment were different.

        The personal responsibility model of obesity works for individuals (including myself), but falls flat when discussing how to lower the weight of millions.

    • SecretDreams3 hours ago
      Sadly, all the time spent deferring reality ends up hurting a lot of bystanders. The debt they've run up is going to be painful, maybe moreso than the damages incurred from the anti-science and anti-transparency policies.
      • vkou3 hours ago
        The debt would be less painful if the pricks that were responsible for this mess would be billed for the consequences of their poor king-making.

        We can start with whomever showed up to that inauguration, and expand from there. If they could afford that bribe, they can certainly afford to pay for repairing the damage their golden boy has caused.

        • brookst2 hours ago
          And/or if the debt was for something useful. There’s nothing wrong with running up massive low-interest debt if it’s invested in high-return projects. I’ll borrow every cent anyone will lend me at 2% if there’s a 4% savings account handy, and that’s the leverage the US used to enjoy.

          But just cutting taxes for the rich is not that model.

          Hopefully sanity prevails and we retroactively declare those tax cuts as loans, now due with interest. Yeah, not how contracts are supposed to work. So what.

      • redsocksfan453 hours ago
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    • zephen3 hours ago
      In Soviet Russia, reality deal with you!
    • javascriptfan692 hours ago
      "Every lie we tell incurs a debt to the truth. Sooner or later, that debt is paid."
    • bko3 hours ago
      What does this mean
      • nolok2 hours ago
        The vaccine was mandatory, like in pretty much every army base of every half developed country, because not having it mandatory led to infection waves and in the army that's even worse than in genpop.

        The reasons for not doing the vaccine anymore were, essentially, "the vaccine is more dangerous than the sickness" and "the vaccine is not necessary to avoid the sickness".

        Both of those statement are, factually, scientifically, not true. That's reality. Which is what parent meant, no matter the deep conviction and the political innuendo, ultimately reality is you either do the vaccine and are safe for no risk or you don't and you get infection waves.

        • JumpCrisscross17 minutes ago
          > because not having it mandatory led to infection waves and in the army that's even worse than in genpop

          It also makes a stupidly-obvious tactic viable for the enemy.

      • krapp3 hours ago
        Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

        See: viruses and the efficacy of vaccines thereupon.

  • 0xbadcafebee7 minutes ago
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  • wrs4 hours ago
    >"The decisions were based upon thorough risk assessments..."

    Both decisions? Or just the walkback one?

  • tantalor27 minutes ago
    Chesterton's Fence strikes again
  • beart3 hours ago
    I have a close friend who is an officer nearing twenty years. He has not had a tendency to criticize his job. However, he has been adamant that vaccines are incredibly important for the military and the policy changes have really angered him, specifically because of the damage it does to readiness.
    • shagie2 hours ago
      > However, he has been adamant that vaccines are incredibly important for the military ...

      https://www.nps.gov/articles/000/smallpox-inoculation-revolu...

      > During the 1700s, smallpox raged through the American colonies and the Continental Army. Smallpox impacted the Continental Army severely during the Revolutionary War, so much so that George Washington mandated inoculation for all Continental soldiers in 1777. Just fifty-six years earlier, in 1721, Bostonian doctors and clergy introduced the procedure to the American colonies. Without the vision and determination of these early Bostonians in normalizing inoculation, Washington may not have made the decision to mandate inoculation for the Continental Army. Though it was a controversial action, many historians credit the medical mandate with the colonists’ victory in the Revolutionary War and the creation of the United States of America.

      https://www.mountvernon.org/education/primary-source-collect...

      > HEAD QUARTERS MORRIS TOWN 12TH MARCH 1777

      > Sir

      > You are hereby required immediately to send me an exact return of your regiment, and to send all your recruits, who have had the small pox to join the Army. Those, who have not, are to be sent to Philadelphia, and put under the direction of the commanding officer there, who will have them inoculated.

      • ChrisMarshallNYan hour ago
        If I remember correctly, the Battle of Agincourt, where the Welsh archers destroyed the French knights, was fought by archers with their pants around their ankles.

        Apparently, there was a dysentery outbreak. They didn’t retreat, because they couldn’t. Maybe that was the thinking behind this edict.

    • astura36 minutes ago
      >he has been adamant that vaccines are incredibly important for the military and the policy changes have really angered him, specifically because of the damage it does to readiness.

      Your friend knows his history; disease has been the leading cause of death in warfare, historically, killing more soldiers than actual combat.

    • sandworm1013 hours ago
      The covid refusal also became a scam. If you refused then you couldnt be deployed. But it tool months to kick people out. So people who didnt want to deploy would refuse and then agree to get the shot at the last minute. So it kept them home for up to six months while thier buddies went overseas..
      • actionfromafar2 hours ago
        This gets downvoted every time, maybe someone doesn't like truth because it's woke or something.
    • actionfromafar3 hours ago
      Can't you just drink raw milk instead? - RFK Jr
  • hackingonemptyan hour ago
    "Under President [Donald J.] Trump, the War Department continues to take decisive action to once again restore freedom and strength to our joint force. We're seizing this moment to discard any absurd overreaching mandates that only weaken our warfighting capabilities." - Secretary Hegseth in April 2026

    War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.

  • hammock4 hours ago
    This administration might be the exception, but it is actually normal for the US military to be getting more vaccines than average, even when their effectiveness is suspect (some past flu vaccines) or side effects are moderate to severe (e.g. anthrax vaccines).

    Readiness - a matter of national security - tends to trump most concerns that, in civilian populations, might warrant greater choice and debate.

    • lokar4 hours ago
      It’s common sense for any congregate housing arrangement
    • 0cf8612b2e1e4 hours ago
      There is (was?) a mandatory list of vaccines all military had to receive upon enlisting.
    • DaSHacka2 hours ago
      You'd think other aspects of health, like general fitness and mental well-being would be factored in too, but strangely, the only requirement they seemed to take a hard stance on previously was over-vaccination.

      Almost like it was politically-motivated and it's not truthfully a "matter of national security"

  • jimjimjim3 hours ago
    You've got to be able to deploy. Simple as that.
  • ElProlactin2 hours ago
    As reported by The Onion, Secretary of War Pete Hegseth has ordered all of the individuals who became ill to be dishonorably discharged.

    "Our armed forces need warriors, not weak losers who can't fight off a little virus," he stated. "You should be able to do 70 pull-ups in a minute and to never succumb to the so-called flu."

    • IAmGraydon2 hours ago
      I assume you don’t know what The Onion is. I suppose I can hardly blame you as the Onion struggles to write satire as absurd as reality these days.
      • usefulcat2 hours ago
        Or possibly the downvoters don't know what The Onion is..
  • grizmaldi2 hours ago
    Because freedom!
  • dqv3 hours ago
    > Pentagon spokesperson Sean Parnell said that the Pentagon had granted exceptions to Hegseth’s optional flu shot policy to the Army, Navy, Air Force, National Security Agency, and the Defense Health Agency.

    So which ones are still exempt from the vaccines? Space Force, USMC, Coast Guard, who else?

    • annzabelle3 hours ago
      There are a few obscure ones.

      Uniformed Health Service (the reason the Surgeon General is a General), which I'm certain is vaccinated.

      NOAA also has uniformed personnel.

  • jmward01an hour ago
    In a sane administration, the complete and total lack of judgement that allowed vaccine mandates to go away should have led to an instant loss of confidence in sec def and anyone in the chain that didn't raise concerns about that decision. Anyone that studies even the slightest amount of military history knows that disease used to kill more people in war than bullets until -very- recently. The fact that potentially the single most effective combat enabler is not taken seriously shows the complete and utter lack of qualifications the people this administration puts into positions of power.
    • Ferret7446an hour ago
      There's a double layer of irony here, where the people criticizing people of the ignorance of "unintended" consequences of vaccine fear will play defense for the unintended consequence of causing that fear by the extremely aggressive pushing of vaccine policies during covid
      • 0xbadcafebee3 minutes ago
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      • wmeredith38 minutes ago
        I'll bite. The Covid vaccines were extremely effective. This information brought to us by a data leak of the report blocked by the US government...

        "NEW YORK (AP) — A study on COVID-19 vaccine effectiveness has finally been published after being blocked from a government health journal.

        The vaccine was found to be about 55% effective against COVID-19-associated hospitalizations, and reduced COVID-19-related trips to emergency departments and urgent care clinics by 50%, according to the study published Tuesday by JAMA Network Open."

        https://apnews.com/article/cdc-covid-vaccine-effective-study...

      • Terr_31 minutes ago
        I dare a grammarian to take the above-sentence and diagram it out.

        No, I'm not "feigning surprise", I am legitimately struggling to figure out exactly which party is supposedly bad for what and what logic makes them responsible for what someone else might've done, and frankly it's not making me very sympathetic to... whatever the argument is.

      • jmye2 minutes ago
        Anyone who “fears” vaccines because the government said they were a good idea (with provable statistics instead of whatever nonsense you read on Facebook) is a fucking doorknob. Full stop.

        Some of you need to realize that writing some React pages doesn’t actually make you a polymath.

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  • Arodex4 hours ago
    Absolutely none of this should have happened. None.

    The 1918 "Spanish flu" was cultivated in the trenches and spread through military camps and demobilization.

    Hesgeth should be removed from his position ASAP.

    Edit:

    >Around 60% of previously unvaccinated trainees at Lackland initially declined the flu shot during the vaccine requirement’s lapse, according to the defense official.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2026/06/24/politics/flu-shot-outbrea...

    Forget about Hesgeth. The USA is completely effed up.

    • egl20202 hours ago
      Origins of the 1918 flu are unclear, but there is evidence that it started in Haskell County, Kansas, and spread to Camp Funston, Kansas. As a consequence, many of the trainees became non-functional.
    • ourmandave3 hours ago
      Meanwhile, down the street, you've got RFK and POTUS making measles and polio great again.

      While also lying about taking Tylenol during pregnancy causing autism. They've done more studies since that misinformation to prove once again there's no connection.

      RFK should be removed along with the POTUS who put him there.

    • greenavocado4 hours ago
      Back in 2010 the situation was already extremely grim. Yes, they did test for tuberculosis upon intake and took blood samples for many hepatitis variants and possible a few other things. However, they let severe respiratory viruses run through everyone like wildfire for weeks without the slightest effort to prevent disease. They purposely let people get extremely cold and wet and didn't give a damn if people got sick. This is NOT new.
      • kstrauseran hour ago
        We were all sick as dogs for the first weeks of boot camp with Ricky (that is “recruit”) Flu. Didn’t matter; still did thousand of pushups and ran miles with severe sleep deprivation.

        The (tear) gas chamber was a blessing in disguise, because it caused everyone to expel every dram of mucus that’d been stuck in our lungs. It was the first time I could breathe freely through my nose in a month.

    • stevenwoo3 hours ago
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  • erelong21 minutes ago
    Anticipating all the downvotes but flu vaccines are extremely ineffective and I think most of MAGA still wants no vaccine mandates; I thought Florida announced they are working to get rid of them for example

    Literally a for profit scam by Big Pharma which I thought most of HN used to be against

    • JumpCrisscross18 minutes ago
      > Anticipating all the downvotes

      Please don't do this: "Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading" [1].

      > flu vaccines are extremely ineffective

      They're not. They're not particularly effective for preventing flu in an individual. But at the group level, they have a clear and useful effect.

      [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

    • jmye8 minutes ago
      > but flu vaccines are extremely ineffective

      Sorry, this is absolutely bullshit. They’re wildly effective in the easiest population to look at - MA Seniors, who are highly incentivized to get them because of their efficacy.

      Sometimes, it’s best to stop talking when you know you don’t have any clue what you’re talking about.

  • Hikikomori4 hours ago
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    • wrs4 hours ago
      They're also anti-"freedom". (Individual freedom being one of the paramount values of the military.) (edit: Sorry, thought the sarcasm would be obvious…)
      • BLKNSLVR3 hours ago
        > Individual freedom being one of the paramount values of the military

        I'm assuming sarcasm, my understanding is that the literal opposite is true.

      • jqpabc1233 hours ago
        Yes, nothing says "freedom" quite like having virtually every aspect of your life dictated and strictly controlled by the military establishment.

        But fortunately, "leadership" decided to allow recruits the freedom to be stupid and contagious and ultimately detrimental to the military mission and readiness.

        • BLKNSLVR3 hours ago
          But no beards, they're as dangerous as vaccines!
    • ngai_aku4 hours ago
      “not rational” and freedom-restricting.

      Lasted two months lol

      • jqpabc1233 hours ago
        Stupid is as stupid does.
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      • DaSHacka2 hours ago
        > turns out that reality still has a strong liberal bias.

        i love when people say this unironically and don't see the issue with it

  • crunchiepooker2 hours ago
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