35 pointsby rndsignals5 hours ago3 comments
  • fn-mote3 hours ago
    My assumption is the credibility of a non-PhD-holding medical student’s research is 0, just like (almost) any other inexperienced researcher.
    • niekmaas43 minutes ago
      Well, that is a statement..! As an MD PhD with over 60 (co-)publications including multiple in top 1% journals I can say for sure that this is untrue. Of course this may be different per topic and country, but there is perfect research being published by non-PhD scientists. In fact, the PI from a top-tier US university I collaborate with for over 10 years doesn't even have a PhD.
      • KeplerBoy27 minutes ago
        You can be a PI without having a PhD?
    • thomasfedban hour ago
      As a clinician-academic who published in The Lancet during medical school, I think this goes a bit far. Unfortunately student doctors are encouraged to publish whether or not they actually have an interest in research… but that shouldn’t discount the work of those who are genuinely engaged.

      But certainly we should always approach the literature critically, including the author list, journal of publication and its peer-review practices, and the methods.

      • bflesch14 minutes ago
        I was severely disillusioned about the quality of clinical studies.

        Would you publish if the head honcho of your double-blind study insists to know what treatment a certain patient is receiving?

        You have this discussion about research ethics and subsequent beratement once, and then you either mentally check out or go to another hospital.

    • sebmellen2 hours ago
      This is really far too broad a brush.

      Do most medical students publish useless case studies trying to jockey for residency spots and signal hustle/devotion? No doubt!

      But there are a good handful of medical students who are still (surprisingly) in it for the medicine and not the money. And that handful is exceedingly capable; no reason they can’t publish valuable work with the right collaborators and resources.

      • myroon52 hours ago
        > no reason they can’t publish valuable work with the right collaborators

        Despite h-index claiming to balance quantity and quality, it obviously incentives quantity over quality (no single publication can increment h-index as much as churning out a few worthless publications that cite each other); med students overwhelmingly follow those incentives trying to secure better residencies

    • bflesch17 minutes ago
      In the end it is about personal integrity and idealism, no matter what the titles are.

      Totally different if someone's self image is that of a researcher for benefit of humankind or if they pick the career because they want to drive a Porsche.

    • aardvark922 hours ago
      I guess it depends on who the coauthors and PI are - some academic mentors can be overly trusting and ‘hands-off.’ A lone medical student’s self published paper shouldn’t be worth much though…
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    • NotGManan hour ago
      Since we have seen that 50%+ of findings even in medical and other natural sciences are not repruductible it's obvious that even PhD people are mostly incompetent.
  • OutOfHere4 hours ago
    They're just generating observational hypotheses for future investigators to examine further and maybe test in a trial. It should be presented as an observational hypothesis.
  • feverzsj3 hours ago
    90% biomedicine papers are bullshit. These students are just practicing bullshit.
    • DarkNova6an hour ago
      90% of statistics on the internet are made up anyway