40 pointsby nitin_flanker4 hours ago8 comments
  • amluto3 hours ago
    This opens up an interesting synergy: district heating. 45C is low but not unworkable for a district heating loop, and a data center might be able to make a nice pitch to a community if the data center offers to provide heat to a district heating system for free. This brings the value to the local community of a nearby datacenter up from near zero to potentially a few million dollars per year.

    Summer is still an issue, but fun solutions are possible. With the right geology, I think it’s possible to heat an underground volume in the summer and recapture (some of) that heat in the winter. In many, many climates, annual heating costs are far higher than cooling costs, at least if people aren’t stupid with skylights. [0]

    [0] As a back-of-the-envelope heuristic, heating or cooling load due to conduction and air exchange is proportional to the difference between indoor and outdoor temperature. Outdoor temperatures of -10F to 30F are not unusual in the winter and are 40-80F away from an indoor temp of 70F. But outdoor temperatures in these climates rarely exceed 95F and are mostly lower in the summer, so that’s 15-25F of cooling. And heat pumps are more efficient at smaller temperature differences.

    Radiative heating is an entirely different story.

    • lrasinenan hour ago
      Microsoft's already building data centers hooked up to district heating (Espoo and Kirkkonummi, Finland). Heatpumps are amazing.

      (Seasonal heat storage is also a thing, Espoo's neighbours have tens of GWh of storage, with a new 90 GWh cavern in the works. Not sure if the systems are interlinked.)

    • ramon1562 hours ago
      Do you live near a datacenter? Property value goes down, constant humming.. the way we heat up the earth right now, i don't think you have to worry about heating
      • skybrianan hour ago
        It sounds like with this liquid cooling, they won’t need the fans?
      • rokkamokka2 hours ago
        Couldn't imagine living with the ~55dBA noise literally all the time
      • xatttan hour ago
        Noise is a design choice and could likely be legislated away. Reject heat is different than heating from greenhouse gas effects that are “heating the planet”.

        No one bats an eye when an air conditioner runs.

        • dgellowan hour ago
          > No one bats an eye when an air conditioner runs.

          In the US

  • t0mpr1c334 minutes ago
    with efficient heat exchange you could get the coolant up to mash temperature (65C) and run a combined data center/brewery
  • qsxfthnkp23223 hours ago
    Claude write good.

    Nvidia has so much money and they can’t afford to pay a human for a day of their time to write a blog post?

    • palmotea2 hours ago
      > Claude write good.

      > Nvidia has so much money and they can’t afford to pay a human for a day of their time to write a blog post?

      The shareholders desperately need that money.

    • jazzyjackson3 hours ago
      Their valuation is based on their software stacks’s ability to displace human labor, this is just them eating their dogfood.
      • qsxfthnkp23223 hours ago
        Oh I understand funny money

        We are all fucked.

        And it’s sad because Jensen seems like one of the rare good CEOs when I listen to him speak.

        But even Dario says he doesn’t let Claude actually write his blog.

        • officeplant2 hours ago
          >And it’s sad because Jensen seems like one of the rare good CEOs when I listen to him speak.

          Have we been listening to the same person speak for the last few years? Jensen rarely even sounds sane anymore.

    • pixel_popping3 hours ago
      I feel that the sad reality is that most blogs in the future will be addressed to AI and not humans, it's gonna be quite rare to read directly something as we will have built-in tools within browser and phone and OS and so-on that always rewrite on-demand based on current expertise, wanted tone and so-on. There is a recent study I believe that demonstrated that AIs digest better articles made by AI, which means that it might be just better to let AI write the articles so others AI have a better accuracy in digesting it (and incorporating it in their training data as well).

      The same as technical docs for any codebase, humans will not read them anymore, only AIs which then translate it to human on-demand, it's already happening, I've worked recently with many new frameworks/codebases without even opening the doc (not even the Github page) and solely asking the agent to gather info for me about it.

      PS: The reason I feel it will be this way is that it will allow to legitimatize mass data collection indirectly, instead of doing telemetry on page and software level, we will just send all the content automatically to some inference providers (probably provided for free by Google, MS and so-on)

  • mchusmaan hour ago
    This is also the type of thing that makes space based data centers more viable. I was previously more skeptical on the concept but have come around.

    I do think ground based centers will have better economics when they can be built though, and this addresses noise and water complaints which are the big 2 regional complaints.

    It seems like lots of bottlenecks are getting solved quickly, except for maybe memory.

    • dgellow43 minutes ago
      How does that change the calculus for space datacenters? There is still no reasons or benefits to having them in space. You still have to rely solely on radiative cooling. That doesn’t solve any of the maintenance problems. Space datacenters is a really dumb and unrealistic idea Musk is talking about to hype his companies, it’s not meant to actually be done. Anything in space is more expensive and way harder to do, for a datacenter there is no benefit. We aren’t lacking places where to have them on earth
  • nialse4 hours ago
    Heat exchange is used instead of refrigerating the coolant. Makes sense. How do they manage the indoor climate for the humans working there though? Eventually everything will be at 45C in the building, will it not?
    • eqvinox3 hours ago
      The heat exchange between that fluid and the ambient air isn't infinitely fast, if it's low enough they can just run "normal" A/C at low power for the humans. They just need to keep the heat in the fluid until it reaches… well… whatever heat dump there is. (cf. top-level post)
    • quickthrowman2 hours ago
      > Heat exchange is used instead of refrigerating the coolant.

      There are some systems that pipe refrigerant around the building, but they’re relatively uncommon (VRF or variable refrigerant flow if you want more details).

      Glycol and water is cheaper than refrigerant so there’s usually a chilled water loop that passes thru a heat exchanger that interfaces with a chiller (vapor compression refrigeration) to reject the heat from the chilled water loop.

      This eliminates the need for evaporative cooling towers.

  • eqvinox3 hours ago
    On one hand: great!

    On the other hand: the heat has to go somewhere. So… where? Datacenters already create a warm microclimate in their vicinity, is that getting even worse?

    • maxerickson3 hours ago
      This approach appears to directly reduce energy use (that's what the articles says). The heat would still be going into the local environment, but if there is a reduction in energy use, there should be less of it.
    • RicoElectrico3 hours ago
      The temperature is independent of the actual heat flux. Also - a quick search suggests that at best the data center coolers run at COP of little more than 10. The inverse of that is the amount of heat wasted just on cooling. Having a system not relying on heat pumps would only make it better. A back of the envelope calculation based on PC AIOs suggests they would achieve a COP of 20 or more. A scaled up system would be more efficient than that, if not just for wider tubes.
    • amluto3 hours ago
      Actual heating due to human energy use is not really a big deal except perhaps locally. Climate change is caused by changing how much heat the earth retains from the sun. Maybe if we stopped using fossil fuels and used immense amounts of nuclear power, we would care about the waste heat. But solar and wind power largely redirect energy flows.

      It’s kind of like how brine from desalination is not a global problem for the oceans at all — all that matters is diluting it enough that it doesn’t poison the local ecosystem.

      • eqvinox2 hours ago
        I was specifically talking about the local microclimate. cf. https://edition.cnn.com/2026/03/30/climate/data-centers-are-...

        It's not clear to me what changes are happening here. The siblings to your post seem to be indicating an overall improvement.

        • amluto4 minutes ago
          Indeed. If the datacenter uses less total power, it produces less waste heat.

          If you manage to use the waste heat to avoid generating heat somewhere else (that the article calls heat recovery) then there’s a further reduction in total heat output.

  • htrp3 hours ago
    wasn't this announced at gtc in march?
  • transformerash4 hours ago
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