19 pointsby speckx2 hours ago8 comments
  • AnthonBergan hour ago
    All of the "surprising" stuff they do is because they reduce neuroinflammation. Imo. As far as I can tell from the literature.

    I'm fairly sure that part of the reason they reduce neuroinflammation is because of pulmonary GLP-1 mechanisms. (Lung and brain are quite intimately connected, as is inflammation to the other two. As well as the gut. And… metabolism.)

    Neuroinflammation is very behavior-modifying.

    (Neuroinflammation kind of makes sense as an untamperable side-channel of information for neuronal processes – out of band; Protective. Can't think yourself to death.)

    There's tons of papers to read. You wouldn't believe how much accurate and correct and actionable and predictive scientific information exists that nobody reads.

    Read primary sources. Anyone can read. Don't let anyone tell you that you can't read. Least of all yourself.

    • CGMthrowawayan hour ago
      Why do you suggest the drop in violent behavior is a byproduct of neuroinflammation reduction, as opposed to being a byproduct of anhedonia which seems more obvious to me?
  • JojoFatsanian hour ago
    A hungry man is an angry man.
  • kjshsh1232 hours ago
    It's only a matter of time before nootropics forums start experimenting with these drugs...

    These drugs seem to change something fundamental that reduces problematic behavior.

    • JuniperMesos2 hours ago
      The sorts of people who are on nootropics forums are definitely already experimenting with GLP-1 agonists and have been for a long time now.
    • coldteaan hour ago
      What if you can't reduce problematic behavior without also reducing desirable behavior (like motivation)?
    • toomuchtodo2 hours ago
      n=1, tirzepatide puts my brain into "neutral," [1] I do not have strong feelings anymore on most anything not "fight or flight." Ego death via GLP-1 if you will. Probably has something to do with how it patches the reward center and its link to impulsive behavior in the prefrontal cortex [2].

      [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSEjPuR11_k

      [2] Diekhof EK, Nerenberg L, Falkai P, Dechent P, Baudewig J, Gruber O. Impulsive personality and the ability to resist immediate reward: an fMRI study examining interindividual differences in the neural mechanisms underlying self-control. Hum Brain Mapp. 2012 Dec;33(12):2768-84. doi: https://doi.org/10.1002/hbm.21398 Epub 2011 Sep 21. PMID: 21938756; PMCID: PMC6870517.

      • asdff2 hours ago
        It is kind of interesting the implications of "making you feel less hungry" in terms of a general insensitivity to the bodies own signalling mechanisms, vs just a hyper convenient targeted approach that only strikes the hunger portion of the dopamine-reward mechanism.

        I wonder if you can do a simple experiment between glp and non glp users where you try and measure various biological response to giving someone say $20?

        Going further I wonder if it affects other responses like pain response. How long might you keep your hand on a plate warming up? I seem to remember that sort of experimental setup in my undergrad days of signing up for every psychology department experiment under the sun for beer money.

  • Bender2 hours ago
    Any plans to trial these types of drugs in the prison system?
    • dlcarrier4 minutes ago
      They're FDA approved drugs, so it's a matter of when they're covered by any given prison's health plan. They're unlikely to be given off-label, But there's probably plenty of prisoners on GLPs at least for diabetes if not weight control.
    • grayhatter2 hours ago
      Experimentation on prisoners is unethical
      • Benderan hour ago
        I only mean offer it to them for free so they don't have to sneak in with the assorted peptides and other compounds. Many body builders have already been using Retatrutide for a couple years for muscle definition even though it is not yet approved. I would be quite surprised if they were not already sneaking it into the prison system. Government funded, sourced and dosed should be somewhat safer than going to sketchy websites that require bitcoin and no guarantees of purity.

        If I were a prison guard or warden I would be happy to encourage prisoners to use any compound that may improve their impulse control which is likely one of the root causes of their incarceration in the first place.

      • wahern43 minutes ago
        Tell that to the many prisoners who participated in and benefited from HIV and hepatitis vaccine trials. What a travesty it would have been if there were a blanket ban on prisoner research.

        Research on prisoners is subject to stricter standards, though. From the HHS website:

        > Research involving prisoners is permissible only if the research involves one or more of four permissible categories, or if the research meets the criteria described in an HHS Secretarial waiver that applies to certain epidemiological research [...]

        > (i) the study of the possible causes, effects, and processes of incarceration, and of criminal behavior, and

        > (ii) the study of prisons as institutional structures or of prisoners as incarcerated persons. [...]

        > (iii) research on conditions particularly affecting prisoners as a class; [...]

        > (iv) research on practices, either innovative or accepted, which have the intent and reasonable probability of improving the health or well-being of the subject. [...]

        https://www.hhs.gov/ohrp/regulations-and-policy/guidance/faq...

      • asdff2 hours ago
        There would be informed consent. We aren't the SS.
        • devmoran hour ago
          The SS's policy towards the interred was heavily inspired by the policies the United States was already famous for. We have a historically monstrous record of unethical medical testing against both interred and underprivileged populations.
          • asdffan hour ago
            Well, today in 2026 there would be informed consent.
            • WarmWashan hour ago
              Would you like to hear about treatment of prisoners in early middle age Europe?
      • toomuchtodo2 hours ago
        Nothing wrong with making GLP-1s freely available to all who want them if it improves metabolic health, reduces addiction, reduces cancer and inflammation risk, etc. Side effects are known and data to date shows risks are low. Ship it to everyone who wants it imho and kick off the longitudinal study.

        The aggregate potential benefit is so high and the risk and cost reasonably low. Certainly, no one should ever be forced to take it, or be experimented on without their explicit, informed consent (and "experimented on" in this context is "taking the GLP-1 already and we're just tracking the outcomes at scale").

    • evanjrowley2 hours ago
      Could be risky. Healthy prisoners might lead to a rise in 'I can fix him/her' complexes across the general population.
      • scotty7913 minutes ago
        Who knows, maybe when healthy some of them could actually be fixed.
  • erelong2 hours ago
    But does this drop in "aggression" also destroy good "assertiveness"?

    In other words there's a concern of creating metaphorical "zombies" who lack a "force of will"

    • ryandrakean hour ago
      Honestly, I look forward to not having to worry in the back of my mind about having to deal with some unhinged person's "force of will" when I'm just trying to get groceries or pick my kid up from school. A calmer, more cooperative, less "assertive/aggressive" population is a good thing if that's really a possible outcome of these drugs.
    • devmoran hour ago
      Is there any merit to this concern, or did you just imagine it?
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  • tencentshill2 hours ago
    Soma pills are within reach!
  • weezingan hour ago
    Pills that make you a vegetable because you don't want to eat vegetables instead of sweets and count calorie intake.
  • shrubble2 hours ago
    If it works by reducing “wanting” then it may change not only violent behavior but the flip side, attachment and love.
    • wmeredithan hour ago
      This is a known potential side-effect of these drugs. When I started them my doctor warned me about a possible lack of motivation. These drugs trigger your body's satiation mechanism (as I understand them–not a doctor) and that can apply to more things than just eating.
    • scotty7912 minutes ago
      Are those really a flip side? Stoics wouldn't agree.