182 pointsby Tomte3 hours ago21 comments
  • helterskelter2 hours ago
    I don't know much about this guy, but I remember reading an interview with him maybe 15 years ago where he was asked if his lifestyle had changed since he came into money and if he bought a new house or anything, and his answer was basically something like: "Not really, and I've already got good water pressure where I'm at, what else do I need?" I can't help but like his attitude.
    • bluedino2 hours ago
      He apparently bought this place in 2016:

      https://streeteasy.com/blog/craigslist-property/

      • jmalicki2 hours ago
        It is both absolutely gorgeous and luxurious, yet still at less than $6 million, pretty modest for someone capable of giving away half a billion.
        • socalgal22 hours ago
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          • csbrooksan hour ago
            It's even easier to give away money when you don't have it.
          • Rooster61an hour ago
            That's a very naive, but common, viewpoint of wealth. "Worth" 1.3 billion does not mean "has 1.3 billion lying around in liquid cash". Net worth is tied up usually in many bank accounts across multiple banks, securities, real estate, trusts, etc. And that's all excluding capital tied up in corporations/orgs. Freeing up and giving away half of a billion dollar net worth is a difficult and time consuming thing, one which requires effort to do.
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            • deadbabean hour ago
              I guess that’s why more billionaires don’t give money away, it’s just too hard.
            • tripleeean hour ago
              I promise they can afford to hire someone to do the difficult and time consuming thing here.
              • Rooster61an hour ago
                They certainly can. And the list of people who have become rich only to have it siphoned away by bean counters is at least as long as the people who are still rich.
            • hnthrow10282910an hour ago
              Well when you say it like that, he’s basically just one of us!
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          • paulddraperan hour ago
            It is empirically not easy.
          • dsatrainer40 minutes ago
            I'd be okay with someone who has it giving it to poor old me who has not
          • swatcoderan hour ago
            It's easy for some to give away money if they have it, but it's hard to accumulate that much money if you're one of those people.

            Newmark maybe representing the occasional exception, most people who accumulate great wealth through their effort and ideas are afflicted with an addiction problem and have a hard time saying "this is enough for me". They become attached to how much more wealth they might be able to gather and recognize how the wealth they already hold plays a role in making the most of that.

            Even if they somehow imagine themselves as philanthropists or minimalists, they tend to put off giving away too much too soon under the rationale that they'll be able to eventually share more if they hold out and use it more practically.

            And if you don't have that kind of mindset, you're probably just not going to climb your way into the level of riches we're discussing here. You might still do quite well as far as most people are concerned, but that billionaire milestone is hard to catch without some propensity for wealth addiction.

            • throwway120385an hour ago
              > Even if they somehow imagine themselves as philanthropists or minimalists, they tend to put off giving away too much too soon under the rationale that they'll be able to eventually share more if they hold out and use it more practically.

              What you're describing sounds exactly like Effective Altruism. The issue is that the expected value of an act that happens at an unspecified time in the future is zero.

          • georgemcbayan hour ago
            > it's easy to give away money if you have it.

            You'd think that, and yet so few of them give anything significant away (unless you count political donations).

            For every one Newmark or MacKenzie Scott who does give there are hundreds who only use charitable trusts as a tax haven, if at all.

            So when one of them manages to avoid the extreme-wealth-to-meanness pipeline theorized by Paul Piff (et al) I'm happy to recognize the good they are doing in the world when so many of their peers are going so hard in the other direction.

            • rayiner33 minutes ago
              > MacKenzie Scott

              What exactly has been achieved with the billions MacKenzie Scott has given away? She seems to do very little vetting of the organizations she donates to. And upon a cursory inspection, they mostly seem like the kinds of organizations where most of the donor dollars go to white collar non-profit employees that produce little in the way of results, with very little going to needy people.

              I feel like the billions might be better used to piggyback on government programs that have already identified need. For example, we could offer universal school lunch for an incremental $11 billion a year (on top of the $18 billion the government already spends). I bet a few of these “giving pledge” billionaires could just fund such a program in perpetuity.

          • agumonkeyan hour ago
            t's also really easy to get greedy or ambitious/selfish.
          • brazukadevan hour ago
            You would not, tho. The people that think they need to get rich first before giving away won't ever give away. They always want more.
          • jazz9k32 minutes ago
            I find that the people complaining the most about billionaires, don't put much effort into help others.

            You can always give away labor, in the form of volunteering.

          • dyauspitran hour ago
            Giving away money is stupid. With that much money I would rather fund companies that push the frontier on something. If it fails no biggie, if it succeeds it will probably end up employing people and giving them a source of income for life while simultaneously contributing to human progress.
            • jmalicki33 minutes ago
              You're saying charities like OpenAI that people have given money to haven't pushed the frontier on anything?

              You'd rather vibecode a SaaS or start a dropshipping business because that is somehow pushing the frontier more than a charity like OpenAI people gave away money to?

            • Forgeties7935 minutes ago
              Why wouldn’t you fund nonprofits and artists?
              • rayiner28 minutes ago
                A lot of non-profits are just jobs programs for people who run in the same educational/social circles as the wealthy people. Not all non-profits obviously. But a shocking amount when you get close to it.
                • Forgeties796 minutes ago
                  And for-profit companies are better than a quality non-profit…how?
      • mattbettinson2 hours ago
        What an absolute dream
    • urbandw311eran hour ago
      I can't help but like his altitude.
      • dsatrainer39 minutes ago
        No that's height, you're thinking of audacity
    • el_benhameen44 minutes ago
      Good interview with him here. Interesting dude.

      https://conversationswithtyler.com/episodes/craig-newmark/

  • roksprok2 hours ago
    Craigslist is often held up as an example of a company "doing it right", but what is never mentioned in these posts is that a large portion of their revenue comes from facilitating scams. Around 25% of rooms/apartments I contact are scams, and Craigslist has so far done nothing to prevent these. A common scam is to take pictures from a real estate site of a house that recently sold and advertise it as for rent, but they don't even let you say "I live at this house and do not want to rent it, don't let anyone post it".
    • jedbergan hour ago
      Craigslist doesn't make any money from those scams because they don't charge for rental listings. It sucks that it's there, but for them to hire staff to deal with it, they'd have to charge for the rental listings.

      Right now they rely on volunteers to combat that problem, in the form of legit landlords reporting the scams.

      • wyre38 minutes ago
        So why not charge for rental listings? i'm sure the number of scams would go down, while posting would still be of good value for someone looking to rent out a $3000/mo apartment.
        • jubilanti26 minutes ago
          They do in some markets like NYC specifically because of scams.
    • a2techan hour ago
      Airbnb has the same exact problem. Also doesn’t seem to give a crap when they’re reported.
    • jackconsidinean hour ago
      From Craig's Wikipedia article [0]. He sure cares about fighting scams. Craigslist != Craig I know, but may these are intractable problems, not that there's necessarily negligence

      > In 2022, Newmark committed $50 million to the Cyber Civil Defense initiative.[39] As of April 2022, approximately $30 million of this commitment had been awarded.[40]

      > In 2023, Craig Newmark Philanthropies announced it would double its donations from $50 million to $100 million for fighting cyber threats.[41]

      > In 2026, Newmark founded a public service campaign, "Take9", encouraging users to pause and think before responding to a text or email to help avoid being scammed.[42][43] A video for the campaign featured Newmark teaming up with Count von Count from Sesame Street.[42][43]

      [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_Newmark

    • jeffbeean hour ago
      Craigslist doesn't even charge for rental listings, do they? I thought they only charge for help wanted ads.
      • florenan hour ago
        They now charge to list your car, even as a private party. I'm not sure it was the right choice because it drove so much traffic to Facebook Marketplace, which is an absolute disaster.
      • criddellan hour ago
        They charge for rental listings in some markets.
        • jeffbeean hour ago
          Interesting. I wonder why they feel it is not necessary or not profitable to do it in the Bay Area.
    • socalgal22 hours ago
      It's also one of the major things the destroyed newspapers. I'm not saying that's bad, just pointing out it happened.
      • jeffbeean hour ago
        Local newspapers can rest in piss. No monopoly was ever more deserving of fatal disruption than charging people $50 to post a used car ad.
        • dghlsakjgan hour ago
          It wasn’t a monopoly.

          There were tons of ways to advertise selling your used car (e.g. most towns did and still do have a high traffic spot where people will go park the car with a for sale sign, or - more directly in competition with local papers - were car classifieds publications distributed for free. These cost more than newspapers to place an ad and tended to target the enthusiast market).

          Besides that, newspapers competed with each other. In the heyday of print, it was pretty rare - almost unheard of - that there weren’t multiple publishers in any market, even small towns. Kind of the anti definition of monopoly. Hell, the US constitution literally encodes the right for anyone to publish a newspaper. Even now, most markets have several options for buying print classifieds.

          An “expensive” offering from a variety of vendors that happens to be effective is not a monopoly, it’s just businesses pricing at value not cost.

          The $50 was what many people, apparently, were happy to pay to have their ad distributed daily for a few weeks, on paper, delivered to the homes of thousands of people. Look up the cost of a full size ad in a print publication, and classifieds look like a pretty good deal.

        • Zigurdan hour ago
          Indeed, conflating local news with local newspapers is a mistake. They were able to support news gathering by monopolizing print advertising. They were also overly dependent on the municipal government and police for access, and were therefore often timid on certain subjects.
        • pm90an hour ago
          Well that kind of gating actually kept the scams out so I have mixed feelings about it.
          • jeffbeean hour ago
            You can't have lived through that era and believe that print classifieds were scam-free. I'm sure the rate is higher today, but in the newspaper era it wasn't zero. In fact there's an unbroken lineage going back decades of the exact same fake rental scam prevalent on Craigslist today.
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  • foobarianan hour ago
    I think he has given away a whole lot more than half a billion dollars when you think of the opportunity squandered to grow CL the way other unicorney companies grew
    • Quarrelsome34 minutes ago
      it was an intentional choice to not go big. I can seriously respect that. I feel like all these "big tech leaders" like Zuck or Musk have some pretty blatant mental health issues, its a path with significant drawbacks because that level of absurd wealth causes issues.
  • jrmg2 hours ago
    Is Craigslist still the go-to classifieds site in some places?

    Around here it’s (very sadly IMO) been almost completely replaced by Facebook Marketplace, to the extent that people make Facebook accounts just to use Marketplace.

    • apparentan hour ago
      I use ND first, then CL. I've used FB a few times, but mostly it's been scammers (though I have friends who swear by it).
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        ND?
    • jeffbeean hour ago
      I use both in the Bay Area and have never succeeded in selling anything on FB. Craigslist usually connects me with some buyer and if not I go to eBay.
    • lotsofpulpan hour ago
      I only sell on Facebook marketplace because being able to see someone’s profile means a lot less time spent selling the item.
  • xnx2 hours ago
    Craigslist is one of the few sites with a UI even better than HN. Totally fits that Craig would have this type of character.
  • apparent2 hours ago
    I'd be curious to know how the economics of craigslist works, such that he's made so many hundreds of millions of dollars. It only charges a modest fee for a small fraction of transactions, but presumably the denominator is big enough that this adds up (and of course he would have subsequently invested the proceeds).

    I had assumed that the fee portion of the site was substantial enough to cover all costs, and generate perhaps tens of millions of profit (he's well known for having given away money to media, so obviously there's some profit). But I didn't realize that it made hundreds of millions of dollars.

    Are there any articles that break down how this pencils out?

    • layer82 hours ago
      A few details are given here: https://fox4kc.com/business/press-releases/ein-presswire/799...

      Revenue peaked in 2018 at $1 billion.

    • Jblx22 hours ago
      I suppose some of it is due to craigslist being around for 30+ years. At $25-$30 million a year, it adds up over time. And then if he invests most of it, 30 years of compounding interest does the rest.
      • apparent2 hours ago
        Yeah, and investing during the last 30 years would yield incredible results even if you are lousy at picking stocks. And of course, if you'd put even a tiny bit into BTC, you'd have even more.
  • LeoPanthera13 minutes ago
    Craigslist is the pinnacle of web sites. True brutalist web design.
  • ElijahLynnan hour ago
    That is beautiful! I hope to be able to be well off enough some day to give to causes I believe in (to start I would fund a ton of open-source engineers on projects that I use).

    Love news like this, happy tears!

  • Jblx22 hours ago
    I wonder what the infrastructure is like for craigslist.
    • jedbergan hour ago
      My experience is a few decades old but it was pretty simple. Some servers for the text and some for the images. The data is super cacheable, the hot set is really hot (current listings), and storing text and some image pointers is pretty simple for even a moderate database (which can be split by metro).

      I was on the security team for eBay/PayPal at the time they took a minority stake in Craigslist, and one of the jobs we got was securing their infrastructure (they didn't have a security team).

      I wonder if they still have that arrangement with eBay...

  • dayyan16 minutes ago
    How effective is his giving?
    • maebert8 minutes ago
      More effective than not giving, which apparently is a bar other billionaires are not clearing.
  • kgwxdan hour ago
    How did he even make money? Was it from craigslist? If so, how!?
  • ryandrake2 hours ago
    > “They told me that I should treat people like I want to be treated,” he said. “I should know when enough is enough. And they told me I should be my brother's keeper or my sister's keeper. And that made sense to me.”

    Refreshing to see a multimillionaire+ who actually knows the meaning of the word "enough." The world seems to be run by people who don't even know of the word.

    • RankingMember2 hours ago
      This is a great reminder even for those of us who aren't multi-millionaires. It's easy to get wrapped up pursuing ostentation and even notoriety as elements of our culture hold it up as as goal to strive for, and I think it's important to see it for the hollow goal it is regardless of your income.
    • Kiln61252 hours ago
      Truthfully, it doesn't shock me that the founder of Craigslist in particular, a site that found a good, workable setup and then left it as is, would know this. Its more disappointing that no one else really seems to know when enough is enough.
    • Zigurdan hour ago
      It's almost as if you can make $1 billion without intrusive, exploitative, sneaky data gathering and products that are a witches brew of dark patterns.
    • mrguyorama35 minutes ago
      >The world seems to be run by people who don't even know of the word.

      That is the explicit design of Capitalism yes.

      It's literally a system built around "Those who can amass the most capital are explicitly in charge of distributing it."

      It cannot go any other way. Without some external forcing, it will always lift up sociopaths who can squeeze more blood from the stone.

      It's like getting upset that Apple's reviews aren't impartial and reliably screw over people trying to compete with Apple. Like, what did you expect? What are you going to do to prevent the obvious outcome?

  • nephihahaan hour ago
    They get tax breaks for philanthropy.
  • kaycebasques2 hours ago
    I'm curious about the logistical details of Newmark's donations. Skimmed the article but didn't see an answer. This is just a pledge to donate at this point, right? Newmark has not yet actually transferred any money? Presumably his trust would handle the transfer after his death or something. But then what exactly are they donating? Shares in a private company?
  • rayiner2 hours ago
    We are almost two decades into the age of billionaire philanthropy and what’s results has it produced? Can you point to any area where it’s really changed the world?

    I think a fundamental problem is that the non-profit/NGO sector doesn’t have the same caliber of people as the private sector. There’s no Jeff Bezos equivalent working on inner city education. Bill Gates is really the only one who has tackled this, by investing his own time into public health, which I understand has produced real results.

    • raybb2 hours ago
      Sounds like you may have read it but the book Winner Takes All is about this topic and pretty enjoyable.

      I think there's a case to be made that philanthropy produced the Internet Archive but maybe that's a little different from usual philanthropy since Brewster is very hands on for so long.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winners_Take_All:_The_Elite_Ch...

    • skybrian2 hours ago
      The Gates Foundation also put a lot of money into education in the US, but my understanding is that it’s had mixed results. Public health seems to be easier.
    • hermitShell2 hours ago
      I understand Gates has also helped in reviving Nuclear power, from reading news on this site and others. Smaller, updated designs that don't face quite the same level of pressure from regulators.

      If we assume you are right about billionaire philanthropy being basically ineffectual (I personally agree) there is a line of reasoning that I find explains why adequately. When systems don't have their incentives structured properly, then quite often the unexpected outcomes are stronger than the predicted outcome. Because the input to the system did not properly account for, or change the incentives which drive the dynamics of the system.

      Examples about in healthcare, social programs, education... large SWE companies...

      There's so little real pressure for results when you're backed by some billionaire's fortune, the existence of the organization is not threatened by non-performance... there's no free market to survive in, the goal is to lose money... the things you are trying to measure are slow signals or mostly qualitative...

    • cossatotan hour ago
      We're a century into it at least, even in nominal dollar terms, starting with Rockefeller as the first billionaire.

      I don't know whether John Arnold is spread too thin or not, but he's certainly top caliber and does a lot to measure progress before/during investment in various causes (including education). He also seems to be more agnostic on what the most appropriate solution may be at the beginning of the process.

  • gnerd002 hours ago
    Planetwork org (serious,respected,boutique) interviewed with these people and got a sort of snotty frat guy to answer to.. He wanted to know if I had been to any weddings in France recently, as part of the interview. no checks were written
  • tomComb2 hours ago
    Can we get better source for this story? I find that website to be unreadable.
  • Zigurdan hour ago
    Meh. Haven't the "effective altruism" people proved that conventional philanthropy is less effective?
    • rozap22 minutes ago
      Ea appears to primarily be a post hoc rationalization for someone's unhinged drive for money and power. A way for people who see themselves as good, but act according to a different set of principles, to launder their consciousness through a compelling sounding framework. Now, this isn't to say that all EA practicioners are like this, or that it's bad (I think doing some good is better than doing none, if we can quantify good...), or even that there's a better alternative in the system that we live in. But the whole thing just feels inauthentic and handwaves externalities in a way that always felt uncomfortable. So I'd hardly say EA has "proved" anything.
  • zuzululu3 hours ago
    good for him!

    but empty words to the american working class

    it may be too late, now ppl hate the rich

    • WalterBright2 hours ago
      I know two people who immigrated to the US with essentially no money. They're multimillionaires now. America is the place to be if you want to get wealthy.
      • WalterBrightan hour ago
        I've always been an advocate of the free market. And I'll tell you why.

        When I was 9, my dad arranged a tour of East Berlin for his family. As part of the deal with the USSR when the 4 zones were partitioned, this was allowed for an Air Force officer. This was at the height of the Cold War.

        The Wall is gone now, but it was something to behold in those days. There's the Wall, the kill zone, the tank traps, the dogs, the watchtowers, the barbed wire, and the machine guns. All on the east side.

        We went through Checkpoint Charlie on a bus, and were searched by the East German guards entering and exiting. The guards ran a mirror under the bus. They were all carrying machine guns. You could sum up East Berlin in one word - grey.

        There was a museum next to Checkpoint Charlie, which was about the Wall. It was loaded with pictures of east Germans being killed trying to escape to the west.

        West Berlin built platforms next to the Wall, so you can stand on the platform and look over it and see what a freakin' abomination it was. I never heard of anyone using those platforms to "escape" to East Berlin.

        In West Berlin, there was the Russian War Memorial. It was an island of East Berlin surrounded by the west. The memorial was surrounded by barbed wire. There were two guards on duty there, with machine guns, of course. We waved at them, and they grinned at us.

        Then an officer came out and looked them up and down. Their faces turned to stone, looking straight ahead.

        I asked my dad about it, he said the guards were a pair who didn't know each other, with strict orders to shoot the other if one attempted to get escape through the barbed wire.

        It was pretty obvious to my 9 year old mind that people simply do not like living under communism.

        I've read a lot of history books over the years. It's pretty clear that communes and communism and socialism do not work. They don't work when people do them freely, they don't work when people are forced into it.

        And the more free market a country is, the more prosperous it is. The evidence is strong and everywhere.

        • WalterBright31 minutes ago
          Some time ago, an American leftist told me that the Berlin Wall was necessary to keep the West out of East Berlin. he wasn't happy when I started laughing. I said that even to a 9 year old, it was clear the tank traps were set up to stop people fleeing to the West.

          It's too bad the Westerners did not leave a section of the Wall standing. It would stop people from rewriting the truth about it.

          • hnav12 minutes ago
            East-side gallery is still standing.
      • zuzululu2 hours ago
        America is the place for very few people to get wealthy relatively compared to the rest is more accurate.

        I don't know how long this asymmetric upside down pyramid structure will hold. Monopoly on violence requires participants to believe in its continuity, any fracture in perception no matter how small, will create an increasingly chaotic redistribution effect.

        • gottorf2 hours ago
          "The rest" is still quite wealthy, even by today's developed economy standards. Median household disposable income is higher in Mississippi, a state widely panned for its poverty, than Germany, the richest major EU nation.

          In American discourse, there's a ton of talk about inequality from the haves against the have-mores, pushing policy that often times will lead to worse outcomes for the have-nots.

          • micro2588an hour ago
            median household income is not higher in missisippi vs germany, especially not true if you adjust for the value of healthcare, education, and social benefits including time off work.
            • gottorfan hour ago
              There are, of course, many ways to measure this, some of which are slightly higher for Germany and some for Mississippi. Many are in the same ballpark, which is pretty crazy to think about. Many of these statistics take into account the taxpayer-funded programs you mentioned.

              Broadly speaking, the median Mississippian is about as rich as the median German, with the tradeoff being that the Mississippian has greater access to private goods (e.g. a fishing boat or a big car), whereas the German has greater access to public goods (e.g. socialized insurance or college).

              My point is that even "the poor" in America are really quite well off, and not just in historical terms.

              • micro2588an hour ago
                Why is the median considered "poor"? The true poor in Mississippi are way worse off than those in Germany. If you neglect everything it takes to live a good life like public capital, education, healthcare, time off with family, a retirement, total years on this earth and ignore the insane inequality in Mississippi then sure the median numbers are not that far off.
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        • WalterBright2 hours ago
          The top 1% of America pays 40% of the federal income taxes.

          Getting rid of the rich is probably a pretty bad idea for the rest of us.

          • overfeed18 minutes ago
            The 1% hold more than 40% of the wealth, and therefore should be paying much more than 40% of income taxes, based on proportion alone - nevermind historic precedence before trickle-down Reaganomics.

            When the top 1% are not in the top tax bracket, something is horribly wrong.

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          • wewtyflakesan hour ago
            This is a byproduct of wild wealth disparity, not because the rich are so generous with paying the government.
            • WalterBrightan hour ago
              And if you take away their money, then who is going to fund the government and all those wealth redistribution programs?
            • blanchedan hour ago
              Right - and iirc the bottom of the 1% is somewhere around 700k. Still a ton of money, but very very far off from a billion.
              • fsckboy36 minutes ago
                >700k. Still a ton of money, but very very far off from a billion

                that 700K is income, but the billion is assets.

                earning 700K is the income from $10 million in the stock market (although working to earn $700K is in exchange for you time while the income from $10 mil is passive. OTOH people with the work ethic to earn like that tend to like what they do.

                a billion in the stock market is $70 million a year, a large number but far from a billion.

                TLDR: 700K compares to a billion 1 in 1000, but the truth is closer to 1 in 100

            • fsckboy43 minutes ago
              >a byproduct of wild wealth disparity, not because the rich are so generous with paying the government

              you're overcorrecting WAY too far. Tax rate percentages are much higher on high income people, and THAT is why they pay most of the federal budget, it's forced generosity paying the government.

              and it's actually the top 20% who dominate income and taxes, but including that extra 19% is important because that is the class of people ("coastal elites") who have a (all too human) tendency to rig the system in favor of their children in terms of good schools, universities, learning high status pasttimes, "internships" at prestigious institutions, rent paid in high value/opportunity areas after university etc. These high income people basically earn their livings from the 1%.

              (that should not be interpreted as a pure sign of oligopoly, capitalist markets measure productivity, and that's how it works out, production in these industries is highly valued by the populace, but turnover of these people is high, where the top of the list is almost invariably new people each generation.)

          • hnav9 minutes ago
            The top %1 is a strawman invented by the top 0.01%.
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    • Varelion2 hours ago
      As they should. Money boils down to a finite resource, and a class of people have been flaunting their theft of the working class since the famous balcony champagne image taken during Occupy Wallstreet.

      That singular image should be the poster of this Epstein era.

      • WalterBright2 hours ago
        > Money boils down to a finite resource

        Musk more amply demonstrated how wealth is created.

        • Varelionan hour ago
          Yeah, start by having enough to buy more influence with the right people, so they don't realize your assets are nowhere near a correct valuation.
          • WalterBrightan hour ago
            Musk turned $20,000 into a trillion. Only in America!
      • zuzululu2 hours ago
        The reason there is cynicism around philanthropy by America's elite class is perhaps the obliviousness to the methods and means it is created and supported.

        "Here is a few billion dollar to a non profit company I control but you better not write that in the article" or "I didn't care for social consequences, I was just another player, it was ultimately for you" vibes

        it just doesn't have the impact it used to, ironically because then inflation was low and integrity/morality was rewarded as society.

        I think Ray Dalio has done a fantastic job of mapping out the trajectory we are on. We've already started seen glimpse of it and I don't think its going to cool down. America and the West in general has growing fatigue with various elements and perhaps the biggest one is that of wealth gap disparity.

        Perhaps a snapshot of where we are: The richer you get the more you need access and proximity to those that monopolized violence and pay protection money too. It's not unlike Italy in the 1800s, you need money to purchase and distribute violence to acquire more resources and eventually the gap gets too big, people can't afford bread, and they get bold.

        • Varelion20 minutes ago
          You do not become a Billionaire without abusing and taking advantage of others. It would be foolish to think that anyone with that pattern of behavior would or could be philanthropic.

          The one exception I had for this was Bill Gates.

          Then I looked into the past behavior of Microsoft, and what he was going with Jeffery Epstein.

          I no longer hold him as an exception.

  • BrenBarnan hour ago
    The side takeaway from this is that most rich people won't voluntarily give away their wealth, so it will have to be taken.
  • comrade1234an hour ago
    It's too bad the pimps and prostitutes ruined casual encounters. Craigslist had to remove it because some people were using it for prostitution. It was a safe place to arrange experiences that you would never have had otherwise.
    • standardUser33 minutes ago
      It's also too bad our society shares in the collective delusion that sex work can be prevented. It not only makes sex work far more dangerous, but it tramples on these exact kinds of novel spaces for sex/intimacy.