24 pointsby GreenSalem2 hours ago3 comments
  • mdp2021an hour ago
    I would campaign that the deal be fulfilled with private money instead of public funds.

    (Or, act to show - roots and consequences - that this should be the proper procedure.)

  • 3eb7988a16632 hours ago
    Surely such a deal would have to be approved by Congress, right? Would they really have the votes?
    • WarOnPrivacy2 hours ago
      > Surely such a deal would have to be approved by Congress, right?

      That's the law. But Congress is abdicating much of it's power. The SCotUS defers to the WhiteHouse (ex:sides with the admin 90% of the time). The mechanisms that foster ethics in the 3 branches are being intentionally sabotaged by the majority in power.

    • joxdosbaan hour ago
      What is congress going to do? Say “never negotiate with the US”?

      It’s not like congress can very feasibly reject this deal in the end, Iran would just extort the gulf countries and it’d be even harder to sell an intervention.

      • 3eb7988a166343 minutes ago
        Iran has been bombed at least twice during negotiations. Surely there is some skepticism that the US will not keep the deal.

        There is no winning move -which is why this never should have been started. Congress absolutely can and should reject the deal. I thought we were worried about the deficit? Or is that just when the next guy is in charge?

        • joxdosba31 minutes ago
          If the congress rejects this deal, it cripples the US ability to negotiate in the future and essentially just forces an unconditional US surrender as nobody has appetite for a ground invasion of Iran.

          Congress can only sabotage deals like this at an immense cost to the US’s future ability to negotiate anything with anyone, and it certainly can’t sabotage it’s way into a more favourable deal.

      • nixon_why6938 minutes ago
        The article says "funded by the gulf coast coalition" so it doesn't sound like they're planning on asking Congress.

        No way congress passes that appropriation. They wouldn't pass the first JCPOA which is why Trump could shred it so easily.

        • joxdosba34 minutes ago
          >No way congress passes that appropriation

          No way congress passes an appropriation you just invented, which even the most optimistic Iranian propagandists are not claiming to be happening?

          I mean yeah. Most random things you can come up with are likely to be things that congress will never pass.

          • nixon_why6929 minutes ago
            Who invented? It's the headline of the article, attributed to Vance. Yes, there's been a lot of conflicting messaging about it.
            • joxdosba26 minutes ago
              It’s the Trump admin signature big number that goes on all documents, not a reference to real money that exists or is genuinely expected to exist.
              • nixon_why6924 minutes ago
                Sure, I'm just saying congress wouldn't fund that if asked.
                • joxdosba4 minutes ago
                  Of course they wouldn’t, the admin is claiming the seemingly non-existent ”gulf coast coalition” will fund it.
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  • bediger4000an hour ago
    Why was it bad for Obama to release much less than this to assure the earlier joint agreement? We heard a lot about how bad that was. Pallets of cash they said, real bad.
    • newtonianrules43 minutes ago
      Because Democrats are held to different standards. I mean just look at the last year.